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Offline MiloMorai

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« on: May 12, 2005, 05:42:52 AM »
Nice diagram posted by Ack-Ack in another thread.



It shows that the Allied pilots were much better shooters as their target was 1/2 the size of the target(s) the Germans were shooting against.

Even the RAF's 'noob' pilots of BoB were better shots.

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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2005, 05:53:16 AM »
Well, the LW guys say Rall was their best (deflection shooter), Rall sais humbly that Marseille was the best (good at setting up the shot), RAF puts their money on Beurling (phenomenal shooter in wild maneuvers), dunno about the Yanks...

People are people, and planes are planes, but the LW was very clever squeezing a lot out of the smallest possible aircraft.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2005, 06:07:02 AM »
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It shows that the Allied pilots were much better shooters as their target was 1/2 the size of the target(s) the Germans were shooting against.


 That's why they needed 4~8 machine guns mounted with THOUSANDS of rounds ammo?

 
 :D :D :D

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2005, 06:07:43 AM »
Better shooters are Hartmann and Gabreski.

"Get close .. when he fills the entire windscreen ... then you can't possibly miss."

"Wait till you get 'em right in the sights,"

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2005, 06:12:26 AM »
If you're that close, you don't have to be good ;)
Galland was also good, and so was J.Johnsson.
Generally, trained hunters were much better.
I belive both Galland and Johnsson took their boy's out to shoot with a shotgun.
Our Icelandic ace was a bad shooter, but still managed to shoot several aircraft down, and on one occasion, he survived an assassination attempt by shooting the other guy from the hip with his service revolver, - the cowboy way!
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2005, 08:56:00 PM »
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That's why they needed 4~8 machine guns mounted with THOUSANDS of rounds ammo?

 
 :D :D :D


I was about to say that.

Mk108-one shot ,one kill, but that's a slow firing gun and you have a few rounds, and the trajectory is also very curved due to the slow muzzle speed.

that's a man's weapon!

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2005, 05:19:23 AM »
Yeah, on the MK 108 I always think about that... earlier the 109 and 190 approach to armament were desribed as between a rapier and a broadsword...

When the MK 108 was mounted on the 109G/K, perhaps it is more correct to speak of it as the difference between a meat cleaver (short ranged, but brutal) and a broadsword!
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2005, 06:20:31 AM »
by Pirx,

These figures are surprisingly low... if I add them up, the result is:
Sum G-6 = 1678, which would be 14% out of the ca.12.000 overall
Sum G-14 = 448, which would be 8% out of the ca.5.500 overall
Sum G-10 = 129, which would be 8% out of the ca.2.600 overall
As the December figures miss, let's double the percentages of G-14. For the G-10, I use the precentage given in the plans in Prien&Rodeike, which leads to 55%

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Sum G-6/U4 = 1678, which would be 14% out of the ca.12.000 produced
Sum G-14/U4= 900, which would be 17% out of the ca.5.500 produced
Sum G-10/U4= 3288, which would be 55% out of the ca. 5.955 planned

Roughly <20%, for G-6 & G-14 in the 2nd half of 1944 and 55% of the G-10...


Not included is the K-4 for which maybe 8-900 were built in 1944.