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Offline pellik

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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2005, 12:22:54 PM »
I'd like an RC variant so that when I get shot down it doesn't count as a death.

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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2005, 12:57:35 PM »
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If it's to be a simple process of adding a few variants (because that's easy to do, unlike adding new models), then the A-36 might not make it. It had dive brakes that need to be modelled, both graphically and functionally. Also the Allison sound will be different(may not be a big deal, don't know) along with drastically different performance characteristics.

I'm not a software guy so you tell me...is this a big deal?

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Dive brakes are already modeled on other planes. I'm sure it would need to be tweaked for the A36. The 38G uses Allisons....doesn't it?
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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2005, 01:05:33 PM »
Actually NoBaddy, now that you mention it, I think all the 38s use allisons.

Wonder if we can coerce someone from HTC to drop us a hint here?;)

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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2005, 01:12:18 PM »
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Dive brakes are already modeled on other planes. I'm sure it would need to be tweaked for the A36. The 38G uses Allisons....doesn't it?


P40B and E have Allisons, all the 38s have Allisons.  P39 would have an Allison if we ever get one :)

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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2005, 08:04:41 PM »
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Agreed, no more 51s or 47s are needed.  Especially the 51H had was insanely fast and had the 4x20s and the 47N was also insanely fast and had the 4x37s.  If we had those varients, thats all we would see people flying because they might have a perk cost similar to the 152.  I dont think we need any more late more aircraft as thats what we mostly see now.
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2005, 08:22:51 PM »
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Agreed, no more 51s or 47s are needed.  Especially the 51H had was insanely fast and had the 4x20s and the 47N was also insanely fast and had the 4x37s.  If we had those varients, thats all we would see people flying because they might have a perk cost similar to the 152.  I dont think we need any more late more aircraft as thats what we mostly see now.


The P-51H was armed the same as the P-51D. Likewise, the P-47N was armed the same as the P-47D.

Both the P-51H and P-47N were strictly Pacific fighters.

Now, there's plenty of good arguments to introduce the P-47M, which by the way was more than 10 mph faster than the P-47N and climbed like a P-38L. I'm sure there would be a small perk price for the M model.

As to Allison Mustangs, there are several options open with regard to TOD.

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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2005, 11:15:46 AM »
The Spits...ahhh.
"Spitfire VII was a specialty high alt version. Pressurized cockpit, extended wings etc. 104 built if memory serves. Not something I'd put high on the list for AH. The LFVIII with normal wings and the LFIX/XVI with clipped wingswould be head of my Spit list both for the skinning possibilities and their viability in the MA as well as scenario use."

The Spit VII was indeed a high alt version. Some had extended wings I belive.
They were a bit more "stiff" to fly, because of the tightening of the control cords, but apart from that, very good high alt aircraft.
Anyway, a mk VIII and a IX LF +25would fill the gap rather nicely, - but alas, the performance is good enough to make them perkable.
Both the VIII and IX on 25 boost are 400mph+ fighters that climb to 20K in some 5 minutes. The VIII has twice the range of our Spit IX, the IX on +25 is also a very quick one. Now, were they also clipped, or would that be a mk V option, for a clipped IX on +25 steroids would be a perfect killer. Goodbye lalala :D
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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2005, 12:03:17 PM »
I believe the only planes up for getting new variants are the models that have been upgraded to AH2 standards. If you read the post by Skuzzy it sounds like it will be variants of the newly renovated Jug and Pony due to the context of the post.

I'll bet dollars to donuts there's gonna be a P47N. Here's some info from Joe Baugher's site:

The P-47N version of the Thunderbolt was the last version to be manufactured in quantity. It was a specialized long-range version built specifically for service in the Pacific theatre.

Four P-47D-27-RE airframes (serials 42-27385/27388) had been taken off the production line at Farmingdale and fitted with the Pratt & Whitney R-2800-57(C) engine driving a larger CH-5 turbosupercharger. This engine could produce a war emergency power of 2800 hp at 32,500 feet with water injection. These aircraft had been redesignated YP-47M and served as the prototypes for the P-47M series.

However, the war in the Pacific required fighter ranges even greater than did operations over Germany. In pursuit of better long-range performance, in mid-1944 the third YP-47M prototype (42-27387) was fitted with a new "wet" wing of slightly larger span and area. The aircraft was redesignated XP-47N. For the first time in the Thunderbolt series fuel was carried in the wings, a 93 US gallon tank being fitted in each wing. When maximum external tankage was carried, this brought the total fuel load of the XP-47N up to an impressive 1266 US gallons. This fuel load make it possible for a range of 2350 miles to be achieved.

The new wing also incorporated larger ailerons and squared-off wingtips. These innovations enhanced the roll-rate of the Thunderbolt and improved the maneuverability. The dorsal fin behind the bubble canopy was somewhat larger than that on the P-47D. However, the increased fuel load increased the gross weight of the aircraft. In order to cope with the increased gross weight, the undercarriage of the XP-47N had to be strengthened, which increased the weight still further. The maximum weight rose to over 20,000 pounds.

And of course the mouth-watering performance data:

Performance of the P-47N-5-RE included a maximum speed of 397 mph at 10,000 feet, 448 mph at at 25,000 feet, and 460 mph at 30,000 feet. Initial climb rate was 2770 feet per minute at 5000 feet and 2550 feet per minute at 20,000 feet. Range (clean) was 800 miles at 10,000 feet. Armanent included six or eight 0.50-inch machine guns with 500 rpg and two 1000-lb or three 500-lb bombs or ten 5-inch rockets. Weights were 11,000 pounds empty, 16,300 pounds normal loaded, and 20,700 pounds maximum. Dimension were wingspan 42 feet 7 inches, length 36 feet 4 inches, height 14 feet 7 inches, and wing area 322 square feet.


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OK...the real question, is it perkable? I say nay due to the climb rate. I bet it would be a real pig fully loaded with gas too (not that I'd do that).

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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2005, 12:31:01 PM »
One fast pig there.
20.000 lbs...wholly cow!
Doesn't climb at all, so probably just a low ENY and no perk, but I bet it dives like a torpedo, and rolls like a 190.
Let's have it.
Anyway, that P47 we're about to get looks really really nice.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2005, 02:44:58 PM »
I'd like to see a P-47M or N, the Mustang IA, P-40K or N, a Fairey Firely (yes, I know, not currently modeled, but would make a nice CV plane addition), Hawker Fury/Sea Fury for a late war perk ride.

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« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2005, 05:47:24 PM »
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I'd like to see a P-47M or N, the Mustang IA, P-40K or N, a Fairey Firely (yes, I know, not currently modeled, but would make a nice CV plane addition), Hawker Fury/Sea Fury for a late war perk ride.


Hawker Fury and Sea Fury were both post war fighters, with the Sea Fury not arriving until September of 1946.

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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2005, 02:26:40 PM »
My mistake. I saw a website that said they were delivered in '45. Guess they were wrong.

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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2005, 03:05:55 PM »
If we are talkin Ponies and Jugs as in this upcoming release

P-47D5 or there about early version of jug
P-47M or N (possibly perked)
P-51C with malcom hood.

If we are talking in general.

We really need more spits. Be a LW or a Britt fan you have to agree that the Spits are extreamly under represented.

SpitVIII and SpitXII one or both wing clipped versions.

Plus I would like to see one more Seafire version added.

Another plane that we DESPERATLY need new versions of is the Mossie!! We have one early war version, thats it.

A slight need is a sea hurricane.

And yes we could and should have more 190 and 109 versions as well.

Other then that we do need alot of totally new planes. But this obviously is a different topic.

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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2005, 03:26:54 PM »
TexMurphy,

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not.  Spits are hardly "extremely under represented".  However, lacking a Merlin 66 Spitfire is like lacking the P-51D and having the P-51B as the P-51.


The Mosquito we have is not an early war Mosquito as it entered service in July, 1943.  Frankly no Mosquito is really an early war aircraft as they only saw very light service in 1941 with 1942 seeing the first significant service by the Mosquito B.Mk IV and Mosquito F.Mk II.

I do wish the Mossie in AH didn't have those dang flame dampers.
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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2005, 04:14:19 PM »
While we're talking about added versions, let's not forget the T-34. Our 76mm gunned model ahs limited utility, and it seems to me that the primary justification for the modelling of the T-34 is the availability of the T-34/85 with very little additional work.

So, I'd expect the 85mm will be coming along as well.


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