Author Topic: The classic AH MA dogfight.... (Read 1652 times)

BigGun · « **Reply #30 on:** May 19, 2005, 10:22:03 AM »

wow...u are way above the tree line. U made it sound like you were in the weeds.

Blammo · « **Reply #31 on:** May 19, 2005, 10:23:21 AM »

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Originally posted by FiLtH
Unless a guy clearly asks" Please stay out of this fight"...any target is up for grabs. That goes for when 2 guys are on the six of someone, and a third guy dives in and pops the enemy too. It sucks that you dont kill him...and someone else did...but Ive often had that happen. Plinking a guy thats evading, and "having my chance", only to see another guy come in and kill him. I say a quiet "Dammit"..and fly on.

What he said...except without the "D****t"

rshubert · « **Reply #32 on:** May 19, 2005, 12:58:23 PM »

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Originally posted by JB73
cc guppy, i follow you, and no offense... im just egtting sick of the "stay out of my fight" mentality lately...

if you are in a squad what do you do when a squadmate is getting in trouble and asks for help?

A-men brother!

Elyeh · « **Reply #33 on:** May 19, 2005, 01:15:44 PM »

Man o man.... This reads like a soap opera.

Never got the impression that Guppy was complaining, seemed like reminising on how it could have been.

A team mate/ squad mate/ wingman is there to cover each other.
Thats what its about isin't it? thats one of the reasons you join a Squad.... To know that if there is trouble, you have help not far off and vica versa.

I would think that smart squads would travel in pairs (or more) for that reason.. ( isin't that how they did it in RL)?

I would think if you want a ("no one else get involved") 1 on 1 then check out the DA

Eagler · « **Reply #34 on:** May 19, 2005, 01:24:59 PM »

what I get from this thread is that it is aok to swoop into a 2,3, 4, 5 on 1 and snatch that kill in MA

it is more than Aok, it is expected

LOL, LOL, LOL

TexMurphy · « **Reply #35 on:** May 19, 2005, 02:17:26 PM »

So what is ok?

Only 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and if anything else could occure you should whisper your enemy and ask if its ok to engage?

Seriously. Always expect to be out numbered. Always expect a higher enemy to come into the fight. Always expect the situation to change from what it currently is. Act accordingly.

Tex

Eagler · « **Reply #36 on:** May 19, 2005, 02:29:30 PM »

what is ok for me is that if I am 1 v1, please go find another fight

if I am 1 v 2 and I am the 1, please go find another fight

what I think is the real issue is many/most who jump into your 2,3,4,5 v1 to snag a kill, can't get one any other way or they are score potatos busy padding that tours stats for their own ego. A very very small percentage is what you describe being the wingman responsibilty bs ...

not complaining as it is funny really, just pointing out the facts, laughin at somes justification for their lame actions

AWMac · « **Reply #37 on:** May 19, 2005, 03:30:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
I could care less what the red guy thinks or cares about a particular fight. I will ask if a countryman needs help and if he replies yes then I'm in to do my best to get him out of the situation alive. I've even risked and lost my own planes lending a hand. Squadies get helped no matter what.

<<>> Ditto

Mac

TexMurphy · « **Reply #38 on:** May 19, 2005, 03:33:34 PM »

Edit: actually Ill just shut up.... and let the arrogance bite it self...

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #39 on:** May 19, 2005, 03:59:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
what is ok for me is that if I am 1 v1, please go find another fight

if I am 1 v 2 and I am the 1, please go find another fight

what I think is the real issue is many/most who jump into your 2,3,4,5 v1 to snag a kill, can't get one any other way or they are score potatos busy padding that tours stats for their own ego. A very very small percentage is what you describe being the wingman responsibilty bs ...

not complaining as it is funny really, just pointing out the facts, laughin at somes justification for their lame actions

Eagler, not sure which side you fly for. Don't remember seeing you as a Bish. Well, if you ever change sides or if I do and I see you getting ganged I will respect you and just fly on by.

Eagler · « **Reply #40 on:** May 19, 2005, 04:06:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Eagler, not sure which side you fly for. Don't remember seeing you as a Bish. Well, if you ever change sides or if I do and I see you getting ganged I will respect you and just fly on by.

you have it backwards

Fury · « **Reply #41 on:** May 19, 2005, 04:46:02 PM »

Sounds like people have different ideas of what the MA is all about. Is it about team play, and doing your best to conquer the map? Is it about loner dogfighting, and everone else stay out of my business?

People can sit here and bash each other all day, but it comes down to everyone is right and nobody is wrong. And trying to convince others that you are right and they should agree with you is mostly a waste of time.

Although I do get a good laugh when reading threads where people bash others because those others don't play the game their way.

Urchin · « **Reply #42 on:** May 19, 2005, 10:07:05 PM »

There isn't any bashing, there is one guy telling it like it is, and the other guys rationalizing. That is fine to, but what you should say is "I'll dive into any fight, no matter how stacked the odds are against the enemy, because I want an easy kill." That is all you have to say. Honesty is usually the best policy. Trying to justify it in terms of "Well, what if 3 of my squaddies are mixing it with this one guy and he is really giving them a go, is it wrong to jump in and help then?" No, it isn't wrong... as long as you are perfectly clear about what you are doing. Although, by being perfectly clear about what you are doing you are essentially saying that either A. You can't quite hack it well enough to get kills on your own, or B. Your "squadmates" are so atrocious that they actually need people to pile into a 2-3-Xv1. I think some people are uncomfortable with saying that, so they try to couch in it terms of "real life" behaviour and "smart flying".

Knite · « **Reply #43 on:** May 20, 2005, 09:13:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
No, it isn't wrong... as long as you are perfectly clear about what you are doing. Although, by being perfectly clear about what you are doing you are essentially saying that either A. You can't quite hack it well enough to get kills on your own, or B. Your "squadmates" are so atrocious that they actually need people to pile into a 2-3-Xv1. I think some people are uncomfortable with saying that, so they try to couch in it terms of "real life" behaviour and "smart flying". [/B]

Just because you feel that way doesn't make it truth.

When I fly my sorties, whether alone or with a wingman, I don't care if I get a kill or not, I want to accomplish my objectives, whatever that may be, and land it.
If I'm with a wingman, part of my objective is to make sure that BOTH he and I return to base. Same with my squaddies. If a squaddie gets shot down that I could save, I feel it is my fault he got shot down.

As far as "couching in it terms of real life and smart flying", aren't we flying a flight sim here? A simulator by definition is a virtual representation of real life issues. In real life, you DON'T leave a wingman or squaddie out to dry.

I swear, it seems no matter what you do in this game, you're going to get complained about.

If you bomb flight hangars, you're ruining the fun.
If you DON'T bomb flight hangars, you're a cherry picking vulture.
If you attack a base without enemies, you're a milkrunner
If you ignore defending fighters to kill buildings, you're a toolshedder
If you clear a squaddie's 6, you're a tard
If you clear a teammate's 6, you're a kill stealer
If you drive ground vehicles... well why are you using GVs in a game called ACES HIGH anyway?
If you.... etc....etc....etc....

Basically unless every fight is co-alt 1v1, with same plane, and NOT HO'ed on merge, then someone will complain. God forbid the complainers go to the DA where there actually IS co-alt 1v1 fights...

It amazes me that the two guys who've been the most level headed about the whole thing, are the two people actually involved
~~Guppy and Wolf.~~

Eagler · « **Reply #44 on:** May 20, 2005, 09:23:15 AM »

that's cause CorkyJr knows he would demolish Wolf14 in a fair fight, and Wolf14 knows it too