Author Topic: Someboy's Gonna Get Fired, Somebody's Gonna Get Sued (Read 709 times)

Fuzzy · « **Reply #15 on:** May 20, 2005, 02:20:09 AM »

Kids are more resilient than you give credit for. Even a warm water drowning is somewhere near or below 80degrees except in the dead of summer. Any temperature below that of "homeostasis" decreases the metabolic rate. Unless the submersion was greater than 10 minutes or so, the chance at normal brain function should be pretty good. Many documented cases of submersions with no brain damage, however, the lungs are a problem forever after. Regardless of the technical BS, this was a preventable incident, and I hope those who bear responsibility are punished, and that the child comes through relatively unscathed.

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Uhh like I said "In AZ" .There's not a lot of cold water in AZ.

I'll make sure that my wife, who is a nurse at a hospital here in the PHX area, relays your extensive knowledge to all the parents who bring their permanently disabled kids into the hospital for their assortment of associated medical problems.

straffo · « **Reply #16 on:** May 20, 2005, 02:27:15 AM »

What mean CPR ,cardiopulmo something ?

Btw there is no certification rules for the lifegard ?

Steve · « **Reply #17 on:** May 20, 2005, 02:33:22 AM »

Fuzzy. i'm not disputing that there are times when submerged children come out fine. What I'm saying is, that in near drownings, where the kid was found in the water that

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What they fail to mention is that these kids that have spent several minutes underweater almost always have severe brain damage and they are not "OK".

I'm sorry that some of you guys want to argue for the occassional exception or for the child that was submerged for only a short time but the fact remains that this is often not the case. I guess it could be that my wife and the docs who I've listened to discussing this all could be lying. It's ok with me if you want to assume every child that "nearly drowns" wakes up and runs right outside to play but according to experts who I've heard discuss this(no I'm not one) brain damage for people submerged for several minutes is the rule and not the exception.

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however, the lungs are a problem forever after

This is one of the examples I meant when I said "Associated problems"

Fuzzy · « **Reply #18 on:** May 20, 2005, 02:34:11 AM »

Yeah Straffo, CPR= Cardiopulmoanry resuscitation. All lifeguard positions I have ever seen have had a mandated CPR and First Responder training prior to duty. Fact is, sudden cardiac death excepted, almsot exclusively all deaths are immediately preceded by respiratory compromise or arrest. This leads to the acronymof ABCs.
A=airway
B=breathing
C=circulation

Again with the exception noted above, most drownings are a result of respiratory issues, in which the heart keeps beating and supplying (albeit hypooxygenated) blood to the vital organs, including the brain.

Fuzzy · « **Reply #19 on:** May 20, 2005, 02:38:36 AM »

You are speaking of your wife's experiences. I am speaking through my own experience having been an Emergency Room Registered Nurse for 15 years. However this is not a debate on who is right or who is wrong. I am just of the opinion that positive thinking is more helpful than negative thoughts. I am sure we would all rather see the child pull through. Give your old lady a big ~~from a colleague!~~

Steve · « **Reply #20 on:** May 20, 2005, 02:43:14 AM »

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I am just of the opinion that positive thinking is more helpful than negative thoughts. I am sure we would all rather see the child pull through.

Amen.

15 years in a Vegas ER? We could spend less time talking about what you haven't seen lol. That's a job, I bet, where there are many times you really earn your $$$$.

rpm · « **Reply #21 on:** May 20, 2005, 02:47:09 AM »

A quick update. The kid told another that he could not swim, the other then pushed him in, watched him sink with his arms franticly flailing, then walked away without saying a word. He has been arrested and charged with aggrivated assault.

Fuzzy · « **Reply #22 on:** May 20, 2005, 02:48:26 AM »

I am of the opinion that all Nurses earn their money every minute they work. Although there are times when it seems we are severely underpaid. Especially on every other thursday:)

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Amen.

15 years in a Vegas ER? We could spend less time talking about what you haven't seen lol. That's a job, I bet, where there are many times you really earn your $$$$.

NUKE · « **Reply #23 on:** May 20, 2005, 02:49:24 AM »

I can't even imagine not being able to swim.

Fuzzy · « **Reply #24 on:** May 20, 2005, 02:51:39 AM »

I guess it depends where you live, but don't most schools, especially those above elemntary school require swimming as part of PE?

Jackal1 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 20, 2005, 07:14:33 AM »

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I guess it depends where you live, but don't most schools, especially those above elemntary school require swimming as part of PE?

No, not around here they don`t.

Nilsen · « **Reply #26 on:** May 20, 2005, 07:20:15 AM »

Doesnt sound like the lifeguard did anything wrong unless he lied about his skills. The guy hiering him and those in charge of security and finding staff are to blame as far as i can see.. Oh and the clueless dolt that pushed him... he cant be feeling wery good about himself now and I can help feeling alittle sad for him.

Charon · « **Reply #27 on:** May 20, 2005, 09:47:02 AM »

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Oh and the clueless dolt that pushed him... he cant be feeling wery good about himself now and I can help feeling alittle sad for him.

With the way some people are... he might just be sitting around wondering why everybody's hasseling him.

Charon

JB73 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 20, 2005, 10:11:39 AM »

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With the way some people are... he might just be sitting around wondering why everybody's hasseling him.

Charon

yup ; (

who knows, he might be thinking it's like grand theft auto vice city where you just start over if you drown. who knows what possible corrupt views this kid has.

just for the simple fact he pushed the kid in i suspect there are some mental issues, or emotional problems.

thinking more about the original story, we had 2 incidents here in milwaukke in the past 2 years....

all young kids, and they gang-beat men to death. in 1 case, the kids were ages 9-15 and beat the man to death on his own front porch.

the other case the boys were the same age, youngest being 9, and they ebat a homeless man to death for his money and booze. when arrested they said "it was like grand theft auto"

9-14 years old.

WTF?

this kid was 13, so the offender was probably near the same age, 12-14. think about that, 7th 8th grade, almost highschool.

by 12-13 years old you KNOW what murder is, and what right and wrong are. if you dont you have "parents" that aren't worth the name "parent".

straffo · « **Reply #29 on:** May 20, 2005, 10:16:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Fuzzy
Yeah Straffo, CPR= Cardiopulmoanry resuscitation. All lifeguard positions I have ever seen have had a mandated CPR and First Responder training prior to duty. Fact is, sudden cardiac death excepted, almsot exclusively all deaths are immediately preceded by respiratory compromise or arrest. This leads to the acronymof ABCs.
A=airway
B=breathing
C=circulation

Again with the exception noted above, most drownings are a result of respiratory issues, in which the heart keeps beating and supplying (albeit hypooxygenated) blood to the vital organs, including the brain.

thank for the clarification (if this word exist in English

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