Author Topic: Send it back to beta..... (Read 3035 times)

JB73 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 20, 2005, 01:07:35 PM »

to be honest i dont get it either..

i must have the lowest end system in this thread:

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System Information
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Time of this report: 11/8/2004, 10:31:23
Machine name: ######
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: MSI
System Model: MS-6380
BIOS: Version 1.00
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+, MMX, 3DNow, ~1.5GHz
Memory: 768MB RAM
Page File: 104MB used, 1774MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0902 32bit Unicode

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce4 Ti 4800
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0280&SUBSYS_90001462&REV_A1
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (85Hz)
Monitor: ViewSonic E771-4
Monitor Max Res: 1280,1024
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Driver Version: 6.14.0010.5672 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 3/24/2004 09:04:00, 4274560 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
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VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 3/24/2004 09:04:00, 1895648 bytes
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that is pc2100 RAM running IIRC at 133....

i get into the low teens over a base with everything on fire, and 20 planes up... but i dont care, because i dont spend much time vulching in a horde

i can get high 60's even 70's in the sky, even with 2-3 squaddies flying in formation with me in view

something that hasn't been brought up alot, but i swear by it....

keep your clipboard zoomed in to about 2 sectors showing max. your FR will go up at least 5 or more

humble · « **Reply #31 on:** May 20, 2005, 01:10:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I'm not so sure that it's the game rather than your system needs some additional tweaking.

I'm currently using an AMD Athlon 2800+, 768meg of RAM, ATI 9600Pro XT 128meg and an Audigy ZS sound card. I'm averaging around 80fps in the sky (dips to about 78fps if in clouds) and around 48 to 54fps on the deck in large furballs over bases with plenty of puffy ack being thrown in the sky. Logically speaking, if you were having so much troubles with your high end system, then I'd be having major troubles with my mid-range system. But I'm not, so I'm less inclined to point to the game as the major cause.

On the other hand, I am still using a 32-bit processor while you're using a 64-bit one and it could be that the game isn't quite yet tweaked for 64-bit processors, which could explain why I get better performance with a 32-bit processor in a mid-range system while you're suffing performance issues with a 64-bit processor in a high-range system.

ack-ack

I dont think its a 32 bit vs 64 bit issue ack ack. Obviously there are alot of variables within the game. I'm running 256 tex with everything preloaded. My system is usually pegged at 75 (LCD mon) up high and I have zero problems at any alt in the DA...but in the MA it crawls at times. Now I usually fly low and I'm in the weeds when the issues occur. I can and will pare down all the variables and see how big an impact it has.

My question is really pretty simple, since my rig benchmarks well on Aquamark (skuzzy feels thats closest benchmark) "as is"...why is my AH performance so bad? Just doesnt make sense to me.

It is funny though, lot of folks who are having problems DO have AMD 64's...so maybe your right....

humble · « **Reply #32 on:** May 20, 2005, 01:18:55 PM »

Star....

System is a pretty new build but I'll check registry just in case. I agree you can certainly do alot if your set up as a gaming rig....however...

My understanding is that AH is heavily CPU dependent. For the most part your system overhead is taking up memory not CPU cycles. So if my overall memory availability is above a given level then I'm suffering no performance loss unless I've got another active process in background (or am I wrong on this).

About the only thing I can think is that I've got enough memory tied up that I reach a point where I dont have enough at the extreme. I'm planning on running "as is" then killing all process's I can and duplicating to see difference. I can also drop to 128 for tex and see how much diff that makes as well.

Do you have a list of the "essential services" handy or what your running...?

added at edit....

I think my memory available after "overhead" is about 740 meg...

humble · « **Reply #33 on:** May 20, 2005, 01:27:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Well, if it's an AC97 Realtec I'd disable it and get a sound card. those things are the suck. Even wiht that on-board sound it shouldn't hit you as hard as it seems tobe,.

Realtek ALC850 8CH audio CODEC

My understanding is that this is about the most efficient onboard sound available (basically the Xbox chip). It's actually better then many soundcards still out there....

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 20, 2005, 01:41:50 PM »

Still going to eat up resources. If nothing else, just from the lack of hardware buffers. Still, cant see it making THAT much of a diff.

Alky · « **Reply #35 on:** May 20, 2005, 02:03:41 PM »

I just want to add that the ATI cards, at least the ones since the 9700 Pro, like the anti-aliasing where the NVidia type cards hate it. It's just one of those things. Like one of the previous posters wrote that he gained 20 FPS with it on, I believe it, I have the 9700 Pro and it seems to react favorably to 2X or 4X AA. But, if you have an NVidia based card you will definately lose FPS with it on.
I too struggled with FPS in Nascar 2003, now I'm struggling to stay alive LOL.

Elfie · « **Reply #36 on:** May 20, 2005, 03:36:11 PM »

I have an Athlon 64 3200+, 1 gig of CorsairXMS ram (CL 2), Gigabyte K8NS motherboard (n-force 3 chipset), Audigy sound card and a heat damaged ti4200 vid card atm.

In game settings: 1024 x 768, 512 textures, preload textures and skins to system memory, AA x 2, vsync on, others skins on, weapon and gv effects on, mipmapping, transitions, horizons on, detail sliders are at default settings, none more than halfway to the left.

I have seen fps as high as 159 (with vsync off). When OzKansas was up even over Furball Island with scores of gv's and planes I never saw a slideshow. (Once I even forgot to turn off all back ground processes and didnt notice any difference in game play) Most of the time my fr is pegged at 85 (monitor refresh rate), the lowest I have seen it go is 36. When I attempted to turn AA up to x4 I saw a pretty big performance hit and my fr would drop into the mid 20's at times.

Before I upgraded I was running an Athlon 2000XP (1.66ghz) and 512m ram, I had extreme difficulties running the game at acceptable frame rates. I had turned all video options off or as low as they would go and still couldnt maintain acceptable frame rates.

Humble with your rig you really should be able to run the game with very good fps AND with alot of the eye candy turned on.

Pollock · « **Reply #37 on:** May 20, 2005, 04:10:34 PM »

Humble,

Just curious what type of motherboard and ram are you using. I am kind of in the same boat. Recently I overclocked my vid card and I am seeing improvement.

Is aquamark 3 a good benchmark for Aces High. If so I am only getting around 22000...

humble · « **Reply #38 on:** May 20, 2005, 05:09:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
I have an Athlon 64 3200+, 1 gig of CorsairXMS ram (CL 2), Gigabyte K8NS motherboard (n-force 3 chipset), Audigy sound card and a heat damaged ti4200 vid card atm.

In game settings: 1024 x 768, 512 textures, preload textures and skins to system memory, AA x 2, vsync on, others skins on, weapon and gv effects on, mipmapping, transitions, horizons on, detail sliders are at default settings, none more than halfway to the left.

I have seen fps as high as 159 (with vsync off). When OzKansas was up even over Furball Island with scores of gv's and planes I never saw a slideshow. (Once I even forgot to turn off all back ground processes and didnt notice any difference in game play) Most of the time my fr is pegged at 85 (monitor refresh rate), the lowest I have seen it go is 36. When I attempted to turn AA up to x4 I saw a pretty big performance hit and my fr would drop into the mid 20's at times.

Before I upgraded I was running an Athlon 2000XP (1.66ghz) and 512m ram, I had extreme difficulties running the game at acceptable frame rates. I had turned all video options off or as low as they would go and still couldnt maintain acceptable frame rates.

Humble with your rig you really should be able to run the game with very good fps AND with alot of the eye candy turned on.

My old card is a Ti-4200, actually is a great card...you know it might be interesting to swap out the 800 pro and see what FR I get with the Ti-4200

humble · « **Reply #39 on:** May 20, 2005, 05:16:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Pollock
Humble,

Just curious what type of motherboard and ram are you using. I am kind of in the same boat. Recently I overclocked my vid card and I am seeing improvement.

Is aquamark 3 a good benchmark for Aces High. If so I am only getting around 22000...

Motherboard is a DFI lanparty NF3 U250Gb

http://www.lanparty.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=2840&CATEGORY_TYPE=MB&SITE=US

Memory is Mushkin PC3200 (2.5 cl)

Elfie · « **Reply #40 on:** May 20, 2005, 05:44:15 PM »

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Originally posted by humble
My old card is a Ti-4200, actually is a great card...you know it might be interesting to swap out the 800 pro and see what FR I get with the Ti-4200

I just ran Aquamark on my system with the heat damaged ti4200 card and achieved a score of 12,000

I cant wait for PNY to ship me a new card to replace the FX5700LE card that failed. They might not warranty the card since we didnt have the original reciept anymore. We did go to Comp USA and they reprinted the reciept for us but it looks nothing like the one that prints out of the cash register.

If my ti4200 card wasnt heat damaged I just might tell PNY to eat that old FX5700 card for breakfast. Imo the ti4200/4400/4600 cards rocked. The fan went out on mine but I caught it before the card fryed, but not before the card itself became discolored from heat on the backside of the gpu. The card does work, but I see freezes at times and sometimes the card just wigs out and all I see is a white blank screen or, blue diagonal lines on a white background then I have to hard boot my comp to fix it.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 20, 2005, 05:59:21 PM »

I cant believe CompUSA didnt just swap the card for you. They took mine back. I bought a 5700 before I got my current 5900 and had to return it. It was also a PNY.

Word of warning, check the new card (if they send you one) as PNY is known for flaky stuff. One card will be junk, the next is a treasure. They dont have much consistency. Save the reciept.

Elfie · « **Reply #42 on:** May 20, 2005, 06:08:26 PM »

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I cant believe CompUSA didnt just swap the card for you. They took mine back. I bought a 5700 before I got my current 5900 and had to return it. It was also a PNY.

Word of warning, check the new card (if they send you one) as PNY is known for flaky stuff. One card will be junk, the next is a treasure. They dont have much consistency. Save the reciept.

The FX5700 card is 11 months old, it's not Comp USA's problem at this point, it's PNY's. I tryed PNY memory awhile back and had to return 3 sticks to the store because they were faulty before I got a good one. I doubt I will ever buy another PNY product.

This PNY card had a lifetime warranty when I purchased it. PNY has since canceled that lifetime warranty. (Flaky imo, you either back your product or you dont.)

A couple years ago I had an ATI card that failed on me. When I called their tech support they immediately shipped me a new card and requested that I ship the faulty card to them. They also asked for a CC # so they could charge us for the new card if we failed to return the defective one. This whole warranty process with PNY is just crazy imo.

DAVENRINO · « **Reply #43 on:** May 20, 2005, 08:24:44 PM »

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Originally posted by humble
My old card is a Ti-4200, actually is a great card...you know it might be interesting to swap out the 800 pro and see what FR I get with the Ti-4200

My old rig in Guam plays AH fluidly at 1280x1024 using a Ti-4400 and it is an XP2100 witlh a gig of crucial and an old SB Live Value.

JB73 · « **Reply #44 on:** May 20, 2005, 09:09:46 PM »

with my rig mentioned above, i had AA on to 2X..

im going to try it tonight with it off....

we'll se ho high FR's go

humble, it is not the game, i can almost assuredly say

if i can run playable with what i got, you should be able to play an awsoem game

i have been using 1204x768 res, 512 textures, and a bit higher than default detail settings.