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« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2005, 06:56:47 PM »


Ok but those guys are nuts. Has anyone got a link to a video of a lap of the Isle of Man TT?

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« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2005, 07:34:51 PM »
In late 1987 I spent a month in Britain.  My sister and I drove all around the perimeter of the island and also darted around the Lake District and Whales.  The entire nation seemed to be closed for the season, so we just drove and drove.  The youth hostels were closed except for London and Edinborough, so we even slept in our car.  Growing up in Alaska, I was quite used to little crappy rough roads, so I thought.  The roads in Britain were well maintained, but extremely narrow for cars of any size.  I remember clipping the hedges with my side mirror, while oncoming lorries (big trucks) side mirrors seemed to pass just over my other side mirror.  What would have been a normal two lane city street in Alaska, would work as a three lane in Britain.  It was not uncommon for both lanes to move to the side so that the center could be used for passing, even on corners.  I never saw a Brit panic when things looked hairy; they just found room and squeezed in wherever they could.  I squealed around thousands of corners and didnt seem to be going much faster than the local traffic and certainly was never harassed by bobbies.  
 
There was this one time on Christmas day though; we came to a good sized round-about at about 5 A.M.  I was making numerous laps around it while my sister was trying to interpret the crappy British signs (you never knew if the sign was indicating the name of the road, number of the road, the next major city, minor village, a creek, or even some old limeys farm.  Just for fun they would abbreviate words occasionally).  Some roundabouts, like this one, were the junction of more than two roads.  It was dark and there was no traffic.  I was having a ball, working the car from a powered under steer to a four wheel drift, back and forth, for several minutes.  Headlights approached from a distance and I contemplated toning down my skid pad test to a minor squeal.  As I squealed by the approaching car I saw that it was the local constablemobile.  They had seen me make many laps on their approach; it was obvious that I was up to no good.  I turned off on the next exit since my sister had yet to figure out which road we needed.  The constable followed and pulled me over.  As he approached I asked him if I was on the road to wherever and explained the problem with the signage.  He confirmed that I was on the correct road, apologized for the signage and wished my sister and I a merry Christmas.  No mention of my significant speeding or tire squealing.  
 
You never know what to expect on British country roads.  You can be whizzing along at a good speed, pop over a little hill and find a sudden 90 degree turn with a 10 foot inside radius, right in front of you.  
We found a one lane mountain road in the Lake District that was 30 degrees steep, not percent, but actual degrees.  I found a few places where I was able to catch air on hilly country roads; when we did I would usually turn around and get some air a few more times in each direction.  I pretty much destroyed the underside of our Fiesta on one of them; gotta love them rentals.

On the average, I would say that Brits are much better drivers than Americans.  They have to be.  Theres no room to screw up.  Brits also seemed to be much more alert and considerate than American drivers.  If you were the 10th in line at a traffic light, you could expect to be rolling in just a few seconds after the light changed.  In the US drivers are always dorking around with their stereos, food, kids, cigarettes or whatever to notice that the light has changed and cars are moving.  If you are the 10th in line at a traffic light in the US, two or three drivers will probably flake out and cost everyone several seconds each.  We have to have such long light just to get the 10th car through.

On the big freeways drivers used the passing lane for passing.  There was a 65 mph lane, a 75 mph lane, and a passing lane.  Drivers didnt just drive at whatever speed they wanted in any-ol lane.  With the exception of congestion near London, you could always pass in the passing lane.  In the US, I dont think that most drivers are even aware of the passing lane concept.

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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2005, 08:04:50 PM »
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Ok but those guys are nuts. Has anyone got a link to a video of a lap of the Isle of Man TT?



I have lots of videos on the TT, they release one every year well worth the $$ simply amazing racing to watch and the bike camera shots are incredible. By far the greatest track/racing event for bikes in the world.  Love to give it a go one day.

Lazs, driving on the left or right side of the road makes no difference pros or cons. It's just a matter of what your use to.

I loved the time I was there though touring all over those backroads in the UK on a bike, especially around the lake district,Scotland and Wales.


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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2005, 08:15:59 PM »
Thx CPXX :)

There's only one real road race in Britain; at New Brighton; just out side of Liverpool.

I've raced it once; and it was a lot of fun; but then I was only on a 250.

I'd hate to be on a litre plus bike in an Irish road race; even the best tyres get only so much grip on fresh cow slime :)

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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2005, 08:34:59 PM »
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I've raced it once; and it was a lot of fun; but then I was only on a 250.


250's are heaps of fun though, some of the most fun races I've ever had have  been on 250's. Friend who rides with us and also races at speedway has an Aprilia 250 and we can barely keep him in sight when the road gets really tight which is quite often here in NZ.


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« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2005, 12:59:18 AM »
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LOL Lazs! - one like this?


I'm off work tomorrow. I'll take a few shots of the local county roads here in Texas. They look a lot like that.
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« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2005, 03:54:03 AM »
QUOTE]Originally posted by Seeker
Thx CPXX :)

There's only one real road race in Britain; at New Brighton; just out side of Liverpool.

I've raced it once; and it was a lot of fun; but then I was only on a 250.

I'd hate to be on a litre plus bike in an Irish road race; even the best tyres get only so much grip on fresh cow slime :)
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They do clear up the fresh cow slime, I think. I never raced but I've ridden the same roads on my old 350LC. Character building is how I would describe it. There is nothing quite as terrifying as going into a corner too fast with walls on either side. You really do scream like a woman :D
 I'm just not brave enough to road race. One mistake = instant death. I did ride around Brands Hatch. That was terrifying. I mean I was really scared but I couldn't bring myself to slow down even when I went straight on at Druids and cut across the grass at Surtees not once not twice but three times.   I survived but fell off my roadbike at five miles an hour on an oil patch on the way back to London. :(
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« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2005, 04:15:53 AM »
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I have lots of videos on the TT, they release one every year well worth the $$ simply amazing racing to watch and the bike camera shots are incredible. By far the greatest track/racing event for bikes in the world.  Love to give it a go one day.snip

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Yeah, 30 years ago when I was young dumb and fulla cum I saw that race as the most desirable way to ride a motorcycle, and wished I could go.

While I was stationed in Colorado I bought a BSA 441 Victor Special, and used to take rides on the weekend in the foothills and mountains, looking for similar problems and imagining I was there. Those were some fun rides :)

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« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2005, 08:10:26 AM »
nothing wrong with driving on the left side of the road unless you care to sell cars or buy cars.   Then it costs you money... nothing wrong with it unless you wish to travel and drive in other countries.

None of this however explains the contraryness of brit motorcycles shifting and braking on the wrong side.

I have heard that the isle of mann roads are granite based and have very good traction even in the rain.

I never raced motorcycles except a summer doing TT... sort of a combo of motocross and flattrack.   I used a 40" trumpet and the stupid shift set up damn near ruined me a couple of times then and later when I used a normal setup.

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« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2005, 02:34:05 PM »
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None of this however explains the contraryness of brit motorcycles shifting and braking on the wrong side.



Why do you consider it the "wrong side" there's no right or wrong just left or right. I've riden all sorts of bikes with all sorts of breaking/gear change arrangements. But I've never slagged any as wrong just characteristic and enjoyed riding them all very much.


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« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2005, 02:38:33 PM »
yeah sure....   only one country makes em that way and the rest of the world does it another but there is no right or wrong?

Why do it at all?   Seems they are doing it knowing it is wrong.

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« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2005, 02:49:13 PM »
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Why do it at all?   Seems they are doing it knowing it is wrong.

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It's only wrong in your opinion to other it seems right. And to me there's no right or wrong when it comes to bikes. Just good and not so good.


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« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2005, 03:30:34 PM »
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yeah sure.... only one country makes em that way


Um, the world's largest car producing country drives on the left.

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« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2005, 04:14:58 PM »
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Um, the world's largest car producing country drives on the left.
Japan?

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« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2005, 06:28:47 AM »
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yeah sure....   only one country makes em that way and the rest of the world does it another but there is no right or wrong?

Why do it at all?   Seems they are doing it knowing it is wrong.

lazs


Actualy; it was only Yank manufacturers that had left hand changes; until the USA made it law as a thinly disguised protectionist measure for HD. But with the USA being such a dominant market; bike manufactures shifted to the left side en masse due to product rationalisations.