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Offline JB73

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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2005, 12:43:35 AM »
Kweassa, is this more along the right steps for exhaust?




i havent even started "weathering" any rest of the plane other than a simple dirt layer. i'm going to di the gus next, then engine / oil. after that looks then i'll work on panel line dirt, and paint chips


as far as the bottom they are the sold black + like the modelers did.

the cowl green is what the paint chips / books show, but remember there is no dirt / weathering there. it will get dirtier and dark later. that's last on my list LOL



UNITED... cc about them lol, they show up REAL strong on the under wings, im working on the right "balance"... like i mentioned in almost every pic i have at home, nothing is showing on the upper surfaces unless within 2 feet.

all ty for the comments and i'll keep chugging along
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2005, 01:08:35 AM »
Certainly lookin' a lot better KB73, but it still looks a bit like a paintbrush stain. Also, there are two things that leave a mark in the fuselage.

 When a WW2 plane starts its engine, the exhaust fires up throwing up smoke in the air. This smoke itself is almost white, and does not leave a mark by itself.. but mixed with the smoke are very fine particles of oil, grime, and rest of the messy stuff which are a lot heavier than smoke. It's this sticky material that leaves behind the exhaust trails - and its effected by gravity.

 The color itself is a mix of reddish brown and black - more prominent and defined with planes that doesn't get much regular maintenance. Planes with better regular maintenance will sometimes have only a very light shade of black as exhaust trails.

 Notice how in the model, that the exhaust stains are dark black and brownish at the same time.. the shape is very naturally curved, following the lines of the upperwing, until it stretches back at the trailing edge.




 To use one of my own works as an example, in the case of these 190As, they have broader exhaust ports. The staining material will fume out from the exhausts will  leave a broader trail of stains that also follows the fuselage and will curve down a little bit.

 A little attention to these small stuff can really make the plane look a lot better.  


ps) Also, a closer shot to the fuselage reveals that the letter fonts for "12" could use something more defined. Check through the fonts of your graphics program and see if you have something that looks better.

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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2005, 01:16:06 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2005, 05:13:15 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2005, 08:55:55 AM »
cc Kweassa...

on the font...  i dont have any font that looks remotely close, and i have over 300 fonts

i took the closest thing i found from a russian marking example on the ent.

i looked for over 2 hours yesterday for a font that looks close, to no avail. do you have something like that?


as for the exhaust, now that i got an idea of the way to make it, i am going to start over tonight with it. man i love layered pics lol
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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2005, 11:52:33 AM »
Try using the blur tool more on the exhaust layer, works well for me.

One thing I have noticed is that the late war Jumo engines seemed to create exhaust stains unlike the BMW8xx ever did, they were much more pronounced that their counterpart (late war) DB6xx engines too. I can guess that by 4Q-1944 the Luftwaffe was using some rather dirty fuel, flying with whatever they had, but that theory cannot explain why the G10 or K4s did not have the huge exhaust stains that the D9/11/13s did. Perhaps the Jumo could not prevent blowback through the valves when it was inverted yet the DB could...who knows?

Anyhow, the edits are showing the exhaust is much improved IMO, but there needs to be more yet not as dark/black (more brown/grey). One thing it might be is that the side of the plane seems to be in shadow on thos screenshots, perhaps it is not as dark as it seems if the "sun" were shining on it. I think the opposite is true on the wings, the color is probably not as light as it looks in the reflection.