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Offline Silat

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Hey Krusher my friend...
« on: May 23, 2005, 09:32:20 PM »
Guess Im not the only one...

Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada:
“Checks and balances have been protected. The integrity of the Supreme Court has been protected from the undue influence of the vocal, radical right wing,” Reid said.
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2005, 09:34:13 PM »
The far left and the far right is freaking out about this.

Which tells me that it's probably a good deal for everyone else.

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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2005, 09:47:12 PM »
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Guess Im not the only one...

Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada:
“Checks and balances have been protected. The integrity of the Supreme Court has been protected from the undue influence of the vocal, radical right wing,” Reid said.


Yeah, like Reid is not a card carrying member of the radical left wing. He's in a close race with Hillary, Pelosi, Dean, and Kennedy as to who can go off the deep left end.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2005, 09:56:33 PM »
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Yeah, like Reid is not a card carrying member of the radical left wing. He's in a close race with Hillary, Pelosi, Dean, and Kennedy as to who can go off the deep left end.


What of your omission of Dobson I mean Frist from your list? Frist is sunk now, looking as if he just got punched in the nads as the realization that it's suddenly no longer in the cards for '08 washes over him. Make a deal with the devil and whaddya expect?

Just strikes me that your list of 'out there's' is a bit lopsided, no?

This is a lousy deal for the Dems over all. But it's the best they could eke out under the circumstances.

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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2005, 10:00:33 PM »
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Yeah, like Reid is not a card carrying member of the radical left wing. He's in a close race with Hillary, Pelosi, Dean, and Kennedy as to who can go off the deep left end.


Sav this was posted as sarcastic humor to Krusher taking personal offense to me calling this admin radical righties.
Which they are.

And yes right now we as a people are being screwed by our gov. They are protecting the corps and the rich at our expense.


The fanatics on both sides blow.........................


What happened to that great NON plan for SS ?
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2005, 07:24:06 AM »
:rofl :rofl :rofl

Without Frist's move towards forcing the issue, there'd be no deal. He finally grew enough nards to do something about it. I voted for him, and I told him I'd NEVER do so again unless he did something to force the issue. I suppose in your view he's far right for forcing the dorkocrats to allow Congress to actually VOTE on the issue. I mean, dear GOD, how bizarre for Congress to actually VOTE on an advise and consent issue? Reid and the rest of those idiots brought this all on themselves, and now try to put the best possible spin on their absolute failure.:rolleyes:

I own my own business, and I work 5.5 days a week to earn a meager $40K a year, with help from my wife and her full time job. I feel so USED by the Bush administration :rolleyes: since my business is doing better and my taxes are lower. It's so good to be rich and have a corporation :rolleyes: .
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2005, 08:06:45 AM »
Frist is worse at politics than he is at medicine.



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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2005, 10:49:31 AM »
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Sav this was posted as sarcastic humor to Krusher taking personal offense to me calling this admin radical righties.
Which they are.

------I don't take personal offense at bumper sticker politics.

And yes right now we as a people are being screwed by our gov. They are protecting the corps and the rich at our expense.

------The corps that profited so greatly under Clinton are now being prosecuted under Bush.

The fanatics on both sides blow.........................

------True, but the lefts definition of fanatics seems to pardon the Howard Dean, Harry Ried, Nancy Pelosi, and the 9th Circuit court crowd of radicals. (to name a few of the many) The scales of radicalism are tilted way to the left.

What happened to that great NON plan for SS ?

-------The president put his plan out, the dems wont play unless he drops the best part of the plan privatizing.  As with everything the dem party does, they offer nothing but oppose everything.  I invest in the stock market through my 401k and online brokers.  So far this year I have averaged a 7 percent return on my 401k and a nice 16 percent on my stock picks.  

------Why do the democrats want the poor to stay poor?

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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2005, 02:56:44 PM »
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Not worth responding to the non facts and outright distortions of the truth in your post.
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2005, 05:26:15 PM »
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Not worth responding to the non facts and outright distortions of the truth in your post.


That's CRAP Silat. TOTAL crap. You disappoint me.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2005, 05:53:23 PM »
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The far left and the far right is freaking out about this.

Which tells me that it's probably a good deal for everyone else.


Should have never been a deal...As much as I hated it..there was no senate rule against what the Dems were planning to do.

I am a conservative and almost always side with the GOP. But one day we will be the minority again and this will bite us in the prettythang..

The thing that disgusts me is that it's no longer "for the good of the Republic" but lets just say no to everything the other side wants.

If something isn't done soon..i truly believe that we will  be hearing Palpatine's speech in our own senate....may not soon but on the path we are on it will happen...and the sad thing is we won't even realize it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2005, 06:29:21 PM »
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That's CRAP Silat. TOTAL crap. You disappoint me.


Fine then Ill respond to the "Crap"

------I don't take personal offense at bumper sticker politics.
It wasnt bumper sticker politics.




------The corps that profited so greatly under Clinton are now being prosecuted under Bush.

Amazing that working stiffs are so willing to take it in the behind while Bush says he is helping you. Corp taxes have been lowered as services have been cut. People who dont make what you make arent making it.


------True, but the lefts definition of fanatics seems to pardon the Howard Dean, Harry Ried, Nancy Pelosi, and the 9th Circuit court crowd of radicals. (to name a few of the many) The scales of radicalism are tilted way to the left.

None of these compare to the radical Chrisitians that have a hold on your party. None of these people want to control your body functions and morality.


-------The president put his plan out, the dems wont play unless he drops the best part of the plan privatizing. As with everything the dem party does, they offer nothing but oppose everything. I invest in the stock market through my 401k and online brokers. So far this year I have averaged a 7 percent return on my 401k and a nice 16 percent on my stock picks.


Great for you . Im happy you are building a nest egg.

If the stock mrkt missteps then you suffer. SS is an insurance system with guaranteed returns. Private accounts may or may not be a good idea but they fix nothing. Guaranteed SS for our citizens costs less than having to help them later in life.
The PRES said his privatization idea was not a plan nor a fix. Everytime you say its a plan you contradict the Pres.
Chiles SS plan has no relation to the US .  Different populations and economy.
But Im going to come out of retirement and go into the stock brokerage business if private accounts take off.
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2005, 09:17:09 PM »
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[BI own my own business, and I work 5.5 days a week to earn a meager $40K a year, with help from my wife and her full time job. I feel so USED by the Bush administration :rolleyes: since my business is doing better and my taxes are lower. It's so good to be rich and have a corporation :rolleyes: . [/B]



Im not sure what you are trying to say.

But I do think people in your income bracket should get breaks.

And believe me, with Bush it is good to be rich and or be part of the upper echelon in corporate America. Because we are getting all the breaks at your expense.

Stolen:
One of Bush's biggest tax-cut whoppers came when he stated, during the presidential campaign, "The vast majority of my [proposed] tax cuts go to the bottom end of the spectrum." That estimate was wildly at odds with analyses of where the money would really go. A report by Citizens for Tax Justice, a liberal outfit that specializes in distribution analysis, figured that 42.6 percent of Bush's $1.6 trillion tax package would end up in the pockets of the top 1 percent of earners. The lowest 60 percent would net 12.6 percent. The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, ABC News and NBC News all reported that Bush's package produced the results CTJ calculated.

To deal with the criticism that his plan was a boon for millionaires, Bush devised an imaginary friend--a mythical single waitress who was supporting two children on an income of $22,000, and he talked about her often. He said he wanted to remove the tax-code barriers that kept this waitress from reaching the middle class, and he insisted that if his tax cuts were passed, "she will pay no income taxes at all." But when Time asked the accounting firm of Deloitte & Touche to analyze precisely how Bush's waitress-mom would be affected by his tax package, the firm reported that she would not see any benefit because she already had no income-tax liability.

As he sold his tax cuts from the White House, Bush maintained in 2001 that with his plan, "the greatest percentage of tax relief goes to the people at the bottom end of the ladder." This was trickery--technically true only because low-income earners pay so little income tax to begin with. As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities put it, "a two-parent family of four with income of $26,000 would indeed have its income taxes eliminated under the Bush plan, which is being portrayed as a 100 percent reduction in taxes." But here was the punch line: The family owed only $20 in income taxes under the existing law. Its overall tax bill (including payroll and excise taxes), though, was $2,500. So that twenty bucks represented less than 1 percent of its tax burden. Bush's "greatest percentage" line was meaningless in the real world, where people paid their bills with money, not percentages.

Bush also claimed his tax plan--by eliminating the estate tax, at a cost of $300 billion--would "keep family farms in the family." But, as the New York Times reported, farm-industry experts could not point to a single case of a family losing a farm because of estate taxes. Asked about this, White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said, "If you abolish the death tax, people won't have to hire all those planners to help them keep the land that's rightfully theirs." Caught in a $300 billion lie, the White House was now saying the reason to abolish the tax--a move that would be a blessing to the richest 2 percent of Americans--was to spare farmers the pain in the bellybutton of estate planning. Bush's lies did not hinder him. They helped him win the first tax-cut fight--and, then, the tax-cut battle of 2003. When his second set of supersized tax cuts was assailed for being tilted toward the rich, he claimed, "Ninety-two million Americans will keep an average of $1,083 more of their own money." The Tax Policy Center of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute found that, contrary to Bush's assertion, nearly 80 percent of tax filers would receive less than $1,083, and almost half would pocket less than $100. The truly average taxpayers--those in the middle of the income range--would receive $265. Bush was using the word "average" in a flimflam fashion. To concoct the misleading $1,083 figure, the Administration took the large dollar amounts high-income taxpayers would receive and added that to the modest, small or nonexistent reductions other taxpayers would get--and then used this total to calculate an average gain. His claim was akin to saying that if a street had nine households led by unemployed individuals but one with an earner making a million dollars, the average income of the families on the block would be $100,000. The radical Wall Street Journal reported, "Overall, the gains from the taxes are weighted toward upper-income taxpayers."

David Corn. From 'Mastering the Art of Deception.'
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2005, 09:26:34 PM »
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Sav this was posted as sarcastic humor to Krusher taking personal offense to me calling this admin radical righties.
Which they are.

 


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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2005, 10:06:01 PM »
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Fine then Ill respond to the "Crap"


you are right, its not worth it.
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