Russian classrooms reverting to soviet version of history

[Fishu]

Swedes have been like that for decades... nothing new.
If they'd be neutral for real, they would have kept distance to a few things in the past.
However still doesn't make any it any more right to down their planes over international waters, let alone the rescuers.

[Vad]

Originally posted by Russian
На какой хуй с этими блядями надо нервы ебать так? Паслть их всех в сраку вез фонарика….и хуй с этим!

А кто нервы-то трепет? Мне, например, интересно. Я про такой животный антисоветизм только в газетах читал, в детстве. Вот так близко сталкиваться никогда не приходилось. По-моему, даже любопытно.
Ребята настолько одурманены, что потеряли даже зачатки способностей логически мыслить. Они признают, что Сталин  если и совершал преступления, то против своего собственного народа, но при этом ненавидят его больше Гитлера. Почему? -"потому чо так учили".
Маразм крепчает!

[Toad]

I see Stalin's defenders are once again putting on their comedy show.

I particularly liked the one where completely accidental mid-air collisions are morphed into something more heinous than deliberately shooting down civilian airliners.

[Estel]

Originally posted by Toad
I see Stalin's defenders are once again putting on their comedy show.

I particularly liked the one where completely accidental mid-air collisions are morphed into something more heinous than deliberately shooting down civilian airliners.

Comedy? Hm. Shortly after the war, Yak interceptor violated all rules and made a head-on collision with DC-3 over Berlin while making aerobatics. All western mass-media claimed USSR in "war crime". I do not debate. Really, it was crime. But if it is crime for us, it should be the same for you. There is no place for double standarts in understanding. Thus because I'v to put all cases of midair where military pilots were guilty. I didn't take all other when their guilty wasn't proved.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Estel
Comedy? Hm. Shortly after the war, Yak interceptor violated all rules and made a head-on collision with DC-3 over Berlin while making aerobatics. All western mass-media claimed USSR in "war crime". I do not debate. Really, it was crime. But if it is crime for us, it should be the same for you. There is no place for double standarts in understanding. Thus because I'v to put all cases of midair where military pilots were guilty. I didn't take all other when their guilty wasn't proved.

Nice spin you put on that Estel. The Yaks were deliberately buzzing the Dak. This was a typical commie tactic.

[Toad]

If the Yak was unaware of the DC-3, that incident was just an unfortunate accident. There's no "war crime" there. Possibly a civil violation, of course, the sort usually handled by lawyers and remuneration.

OTOH, compare and contrast to KAL 902 and KAL 007... just to name two of many.

Or the Canadair Limited CL-44 transport, registration number LV-JTN rammed by Kulyapin.

Or the  unarmed Iranian helicopter downed when it strayed across the border near Ashkhabad in foggy weather on June 21, 1978.

I could go on, but the difference is quite obvious to any open minded person.

[Estel]

Originally posted by Toad
OTOH, compare and contrast to KAL 902 and KAL 007... just to name two of many.

KAL 902. April 20-th 1978. At 2119 crossed the USSR border and began to intrude the Soviet territory. The plane was visually (as it was possible in the dark) identified as 707/RC-135 type. After few attempts to contact the crew via radio or visually it was clear that jet crew don't respond and denying commands. And at 2142 capt. Alexander Bosov (Su-15TM, 365-th IAP, home base Afrikanda) shot R-60 into the outer left engine. After that jet began descend and slowed the speed. Few minutes after, Bosov lost visual contact and was ordered to return to the base. At that moment 902 was 23 minutes flying into the Soviet airspace.
Approx. at 2250 capt. Anatoly Kerefov (Su-15TM, 265-th IAP, home base Poduzhemye) established visual contact with jet at altitude 200m. And jet crew began to maneuvre (left and right turns from 270 to 360 degrees). After signalling Kerefov reported that jet crew denying commands (follow me and etc.). At 2305 he was ordered to force jet to make landing outside of the airport. It was done and jet landed onto iced Kolpiyarve lake at approx. 2310.

2 of 110 passengers were killed due to R-60 blast and 13 injured. All injured and all kids from the plane were evacuated with helicopters into Kemy town hospital. After that all others were delivered into the garrison officers block on the trucks.

At April 23-d 95 passengers have been transferred to PanAmerican at Murmansk to bring them to Helsinki.

The crew hasn't been condemned in connection with that has completely recognized the fault.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Vad
А кто нервы-то трепет? Мне, например, интересно. Я про такой животный антисоветизм только в газетах читал, в детстве. Вот так близко сталкиваться никогда не приходилось. По-моему, даже любопытно.
Ребята настолько одурманены, что потеряли даже зачатки способностей логически мыслить. Они признают, что Сталин  если и совершал преступления, то против своего собственного народа, но при этом ненавидят его больше Гитлера. Почему? -"потому чо так учили".
Маразм крепчает!

Хорошо загнул.

Давно закралась мысль, что по их мнению - ежели они не станут тут гнать эту пургу, а напишут то что кумекают сами - за ними прийут из фебеэр, или там из комиссии по расследованию антикокосовой деятельности, как она там называется сейчас, хоумлесс дефенс?

Я кажется рассказывал как меня в крайний раз банили на АГВ. Там просто пришли специяльно-обученные люди к хозяину, и сказали недвусмысленно чтобы он меня отправил до Бобруйска.

If lifting the "iron curtain" means adopting "internationally-approved" view on our history - then, can I please kindly ask to put it back? We don't get any advantages from being "open", and this openness is one-way only, so - who cares?

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf The very fact that you listed accidental COLLISIONS on that desperate list tells a lot.

DATE: 11/01/1949 LOCATION: Arlington, Virginia CARRIER: Eastern Air Lines / US Air Force FLIGHT: 537 AIRCRAFT: Douglas C-54B / USAF P-38 REGISTRY: N88727/NX26927 S/N: 18365 ABOARD: 56 FATAL: 55 GROUND DETAILS: Midair collision. The pilot of the P-38 survived and was accused of causing the accident by executing a straight in approach without proper clearance. He was later tried and cleared of the charges. George Bates, U.S. Representative from Massachuttes and Michael Kennedy, U.S. Representative from New York killed.[end of quote] You call the killing off of the Kennedy clan members "accidental" ? Too many "accidental" deaths. Especially suspicious looks the above accident: the USAF P-38 plane is executing a straight in approach, but the pilot of this P-38 miraculously survives the midair collision. What's the P-38 pilot's name ? "Titanium Eagle" ?

[Toad]

Ah, now we have a suicide P-38 pilot involved in a clandestine plot to kill the Kennedys?

These guys are the absolute BEST EVAR!


As for KAL 902, recorded intercepts show the fighter pilot identified the aircraft as a civilian airliner.

Old news though, no point in rehashing. The Stalinists can't even admit the murder of Poles at Katyn and will never admit they shot down civilians knowing they were shooting at civilian aircraft.

As I said in a similar thread, it's just a good thing they freely post like this so that the rest of the world understands what they're dealing with.

[genozaur]

There's an  unexpected strange problem with my text editing. So I repeat the above question. George Bates, U.S. Representative from Massachuttes and Michael Kennedy, U.S. Representative from New York killed.[end of quote] You call the killing off of the Kennedy clan members "accidental" ? Too many "accidental" deaths. Especially suspicious looks the above accident: the USAF P-38 plane is executing a straight in approach, but the pilot of this P-38 miraculously survives the midair collision. What's the P-38 pilot's name ? "Titanium Eagle" ?

[Staga]

Remember not every Russian is like these; most of them are very intelligent people.

[Toad]

Perhaps, Staga. You'd think there'd be at least one Russian saying these guys are not the norm though. But there isn't. Maybe we got a bad sample.

Genozaur, it was a top secret P-38 built to enable the pilot to survive head-on collisions with much, much larger aircraft. We still keep this technology secret. We learned it from aliens; one of their UFO craft later crashed out at Roswell. (Well, actually we rammed that one with a P-38 too.)

Beyond that your Kennedy was apparently not one of the KENNEDYS. He's not listed with descendants of Joseph P. and Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy. But at least you tried, eh?

Wait... maybe aliens ARTIFICIALLY INSEMINATED ROSE KENNEDY!

KENNEDY, Michael Joseph, a Representative from New York; born in New York City October 25, 1897; attended the Sacred Heart Parochial School, New York City; hotel clerk 1914-1921; clerk of the New York City Board of Elections 1921-1923; served as marshal of the city of New York 1923-1938; became engaged in the insurance business in 1939; elected as a Democrat to the Seventy-sixth and Seventy-seventh Congresses (January 3, 1939-January 3, 1943); was not a candidate for renomination in 1942; resumed the insurance business in New York City; was killed in an airplane accident at the Washington (D.C.) National Airport on November 1, 1949; interment in Gate of Heaven Cemetery, Hawthorne, N.Y.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Toad Ah, now we have a suicide P-38 pilot involved in a clandestine plot to kill the Kennedys? These guys are the absolute BEST EVAR! As for KAL 902, recorded intercepts show the fighter pilot identified the aircraft as a civilian airliner. Old news though, no point in rehashing. The Stalinists can't even admit the murder of Poles at Katyn and will never admit they shot down civilians knowing they were shooting at civilian aircraft. As I said in a similar thread, it's just a good thing they freely post like this so that the rest of the world understands what they're dealing with.

What plot ? Kennedy clan members are being killed off on a regular basis as soon as they approach the corridors of power. That's all. There's no plot in it. Just the special treatment. And calling me a "Stalinist" ??? Sir, your evaluation of my position is an ansult to me and all of my Don Cossack-Ukrainian-Celtic-Latvian-Severin family.

[Toad]

Michael J. Kennedy was not one of the Joseph P. Kennedy line.

There's a TON of Kennedys in America, some in politics. You think the CIA kills them because of their name.

Don't like Stalinist? How about "lunatic"? "Idiot"?

You certainly seem to come from an alternate, parallel dimension where everything is exactly the same only completely different.

Maybe that's just the USSR though...........