Author Topic: Disco is killing me  (Read 807 times)

Offline pigface

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 547
      • Home Systems Integration
Disco is killing me
« on: June 05, 2005, 03:26:48 AM »
I love this game.
I pay to play this game
I feel I am paying to reconnect many times an evening. This is spoiling the valued experience.

Is there a problem here? Or is it me? This is now going on the third week I am experiencing this. I have been on for a while now and have not had problems like this before.

If there is anything I can check on my side, let me know. If it persists, I will expect a month refund.

Thank you.

G.
People who like this sort of thing, find this the sort of thig they like.

Offline Slash27

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 12798
Disco is killing me
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2005, 04:42:24 AM »
http://www.pingplotter.com


I doubt its you buddy. Game is close to unplayable for me now.

Offline Loddar

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 204
Disco is killing me
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2005, 06:55:36 AM »
I have some dumps too.

Not every day, not same time, but too often to ignore.

Windows message says that AH is terminated
because of a programm failsure. Host connection lost.

Offline Skuzzy

  • Support Member
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 31462
      • HiTech Creations Home Page
Disco is killing me
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2005, 07:41:56 AM »
Loddar, email me the output from DXDIAG.  See the bottom of the "Hints and Tips" post in this forum.
Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
support@hitechcreations.com

Offline Clifra Jones

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1210
Re: Disco is killing me
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2005, 08:28:07 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by pigface
I love this game.
I pay to play this game
I feel I am paying to reconnect many times an evening. This is spoiling the valued experience.

Is there a problem here? Or is it me? This is now going on the third week I am experiencing this. I have been on for a while now and have not had problems like this before.


You either have a problem with your computer or problem with your internet provider. As Slash says, run a ping plot and post it here. Many people will try and help you with the problem.

Another things to look for are spyware and other running programs.

Quote

If there is anything I can check on my side, let me know. If it persists, I will expect a month refund.


Disco's are almost never HTC fault. If it was I am quite sure you would see a post here explaining the issue and how they have fixed it. The problem will persist until YOU address the issue. HTC will help as they always do but your not going to get a lot of sympathy with threats.

Offline MaddogWx

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 130
Disco is killing me
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2005, 12:22:35 PM »
I mentioned this before...dont know if it aplies to u....

I updated my video drivers, the latest greatest drivers from NVidea.  I had disco after disco.  Loaded Omega drivers and almost no discos.  I have a 2.0 GHZ AMD 64.  Anyway if you have an NVidea video card try old drivers or the latest Omegia.  The Omega drivers work fine...not sure why the video drivers caused the problem.

Good luck!

Offline grmrpr

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 246
      • http://www.maderios.org/
Disco is killing me
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2005, 01:02:47 PM »
Oh right the problem can't be with Savis doing mass dumps all weekend.  

Sorry Skuzzy not the be a salamander but I have witnessed too many mass dumps recently.

I was dropped 3 or 4 times this weekend.  Each time it was Savis.  I know the nature of the net.  I host several game servers with hundreds of players visiting daily(Bad Company Clan)out of Sun Guard and experience brown outs accross the net from time to time but never to the extent of what Savis appears to be doing.  Unless the problem is in the server itself...

GrmRpr

"RHCE, CCNA"

Currently working on my CCIE

Home Network:

3mb "Sprint" DSL
PIX 501
100MB Internal 3com switch.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2005, 01:09:09 PM by grmrpr »

Offline Karash

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 126
Re: Re: Disco is killing me
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2005, 12:19:08 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Disco's are almost never HTC fault. If it was I am quite sure you would see a post here explaining the issue and how they have fixed it. The problem will persist until YOU address the issue. HTC will help as they always do but your not going to get a lot of sympathy with threats. [/B]


I would have to disagree there.  The times I have discoed, half my squad discos as well...and this is becomming a common occurance.  My net connection is rock solid.

Offline Clifra Jones

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1210
Disco is killing me
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2005, 01:35:49 PM »
Yes, your connect to your ISP. There are many things between HTC and your and yout squadies computers. HTC is responsible for thier own equipment not the entire internet. As you will see in many posts here there are a lot of us complaining about a company called SAVIS. They are a major carrier in the US and they well just plain SUCK.

You can have mutiple problems between you and a web server and not really notice it. AH is much more demanding on your connection being stable all the time. Also a disco may have nothing to do with your net connect. It can be cause by an occurance on your PC.

I stand by my statement, and in my career in these situations I have been proven right more often than not.

Offline Karash

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 126
Disco is killing me
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2005, 05:53:31 PM »
Sorry Clifra, I just don't buy it.  I play a ton of online games and never have this sort of problem.  Savvis does not control the net, nor does all packets get routed through it somehow.  I can understand bad 'net weather'...it happens to everyone, but when you have a specific problem (routing) that deals with a specific company (savvis), then there is a way to fix that.

I fully agree that the term "sh*t happens" applies sometimes...but not in the regular basis that we have all been seeing here.  If anything, it doesn't take 6 months of ping plotting to fix a routing issue (imo).  Regardless if it is bad route advertising or some misconfigured L3 switch along the way, the problem is fixable.

Simply throwing up your hands saying "thats how the net works" is not really getting to the problem.

Offline StarOfAfrica2

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5162
      • http://www.vf-17.org
Disco is killing me
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2005, 02:01:37 AM »
Karash do you have any idea how big Savvis is?  They dont just span the entire continent of North America, they have European parts too.  Savvis made a business out of buying out internet providers that were going bankrupt all over the place.  They figured that what worked for farming might work for the internet.  Small, independently owned ISPs couldnt cut it in the business provider market, but a large company with enough income could.  So they went to auctions, made takeover bids, did just about anything and everything they could, anywhere they could, to get more equipment, more "lines", and more traffic.  

The result?  A huge, bloated mess that is incapable of responding to problem points with any kind of speed.  And they are going to have lots and lots of problem points as time goes on.  Remember that the companies they bought out were BANKRUPT.  Sometimes equipment had already been sold off to pay creditors when Savvis came in.  The companies they took over were also almost always understaffed.

The next big problem Savvis has is that they have their priorities wrong.  They pay big bucks to "headhunters" who find troubled providers and make deals.  They pay the techs down at the bottom of the food chain squat.  The techs are the ones who have to make their mess work.  Network and hardware guys are like janitors as far as Savvis is concerned.  They get the cheapest labor they can, work them as hard as they can until they either get better job offers, get smart, or screw up enough to get fired.  Consequently, you wont find a great percentage of the Savvis techs that have alot of experience.  The ones that DO have the knowledge and experience to make things work right are so few and far between, they are kept running almost day and night.  All over the country.  

I know some of the guys in St Louis (if they havent quit by now) and I feel for them.  They are very underappreciated and overworked.  It's the management I cant stand.  But to answer your statements, yes it is "fixable".  But it doesnt get fixed quickly.  Skuzzy is doing all he can to try to get things better, and I feel for him too.  Hes stuck in the middle listening to people like you telling him he isnt doing his job, and more than likely listening to condescending crap on the other end from Savvis.

Anyway, I'm sorry.  I get a little carried away on this subject.  And I'll problably get in trouble for it.  But dont blame Skuzzy or HTC for the problem when you have thread after thread of people who arent too lazy to run a pingplot that can see the problem and have posted it.  Next time you get the boot, run a pingplot yourself and see the evidence.

Offline grmrpr

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 246
      • http://www.maderios.org/
Disco is killing me
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2005, 08:54:52 AM »
I've tried to get construticve with this line.  See thread:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=152902

Offline Karash

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 126
Disco is killing me
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2005, 11:53:22 AM »
*sigh*...my intentions are not to blame anyone, including HT and Skuzzy, I fully am aware they can not speed up the problem solving status with savvis.

I just find it highly unbelievable that savvis is the only game in town.

But I will shut up, since that is fashionable around these parts.

Offline Clifra Jones

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1210
Disco is killing me
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2005, 12:18:43 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Karash
Sorry Clifra, I just don't buy it.  I play a ton of online games and never have this sort of problem.  Savvis does not control the net, nor does all packets get routed through it somehow.  I can understand bad 'net weather'...it happens to everyone, but when you have a specific problem (routing) that deals with a specific company (savvis), then there is a way to fix that.

I fully agree that the term "sh*t happens" applies sometimes...but not in the regular basis that we have all been seeing here.  If anything, it doesn't take 6 months of ping plotting to fix a routing issue (imo).  Regardless if it is bad route advertising or some misconfigured L3 switch along the way, the problem is fixable.

Simply throwing up your hands saying "thats how the net works" is not really getting to the problem.


Star basically covers it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not that it can't be fixed it's that getting Savis to fix it is a bit hopeless. Unless the entire thing is down and thier multi-milllion $ customers are screaming they (all  Comm. companies, not just Savis) just don't have good customer service. Again as Star says, not only are some of the techs you deal with inexperienced but they sometimes just don't get it. The concept of Q.O.S. just doesn't seem to be somethng they can grasp.

Offline Clifra Jones

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1210
Disco is killing me
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2005, 12:26:13 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Karash
*sigh*...my intentions are not to blame anyone, including HT and Skuzzy, I fully am aware they can not speed up the problem solving status with savvis.

I just find it highly unbelievable that savvis is the only game in town.

But I will shut up, since that is fashionable around these parts.


No one is asking you to Shut Up. It's just that those of is who have to work in this "techie" industry know how difficult it is to deal with these companies. They all have their problems. Just getting them to admit that a problem even exists is a lot of work let alone getting if fixed.

I can't even get a simple Verizon DSL line fixed in the Pittsburg area. They say there is nothing wrong yet connectivity to that office is extrteamly flakey. Yet I have other offices with the same speed DSL that work perfectly. It gets frustrating.