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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2005, 11:31:22 PM »
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This is most likely the only time I will agree with Sandman...


That's scary. I was trolling.
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« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2005, 08:25:12 AM »
2 kids by two ex wives... A lifetime of watching the courts deal with divorce...

Are there really any people on this BB who think that there is anything like fairness in divorce court?

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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2005, 08:32:25 AM »
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Yup and I don't care (or necessarily believe it). The tone of his article is more about him now being 'free from paying the 6 figure support payment'.

If you have read it you can see that his whole angry male whine can be summed up right here:



He views his obligation to pay for the children he sired as a 'crime' and 'punishment' and thinks he is 'innocent' and should not have to pay or have paid.

None of that has piss to do with his ex's boyfriend. Even if it is true what kind of man would let his kids stay with a pedophile regardless of what the court says? His article isn't entitled:

"My kids are free at last from a pedophile.'

It's:

Free At Last, Free At Last: Release From Child Support Debtors Prison


Hmm you ever been divorced with children involved?

You ever watch someone that basically is taking what you give to be used for a specific thing and KNOW they're applying it toward their own benifit instead?

You gonna talk the talk?  Then perhaps you should try walking the walk?

Whining?  Hmmmm.........

Complaining?  His kids appear to have forgotten who he is, or was.  Was he just a convenient meal ticket to them and his ex and her new husband?

I read the article and to me the tone is more about what he considered abuse placed upon him by that said system.

He tried to prove himself.  He tried to do what he could for his children.  The court appears to have ignored who he was and what he accomplished in life.  To have ignored arrest records.  To have ignored proof of misuse of funds.

What he received from that system made him feel as if he were sent to a debtors prison, which by the way has been outlawed within the U.S.

Again his children no longer seem to know him.  Or to care about him other then the money.

I don't think he would have reacted the same way if he had been ALLOWED to be a part of his childrens lives.

A male whine hmmm.....  what kind of man would LET .............. ???

You apparently have NOT expeirenced the legal system this country now has when it comes to child custody and divorce.  Males have very few, if any, rights in many states.  Story after story is being told regarding this matter and the media ignores those stories.  Some do time in jail because they argued with the judge, and tried to claim they had rights, and then go back in jail upon release for failure to pay their support payments while they were in JAIL!  The Child Support people were there the day of their release and had them arrested before they even got out of the jail.

He would be in jail doing HARD time for ignoring the courts orders!  You ever find yourself in the same situation remember THAT!

HOT NEWS FLASH!!!

Federal Law states that a veterans benefits my NOT be attached in any way shape or form by anyone!

The states, with the help of state judges, have gotten around/ignored that.

They do this even though the children automatically get compensation from the VA.

How?  Simple the courts ignore it.  It's not enforced.  If it's not enforced it has NO affect.

You don't believe that?  Impossible?  Is that what your gonna say?  Do the work look it up.  What's actually occuring in the U.S. legal world is much different then you might think.  Your rights?  You only have the ones your willing to fight for.  And even then you may find yourself imprisioned or dead trying to claim them.  That's where we are and where we have always been one way or another.  History shows it.  History proves it.
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2005, 08:44:55 AM »
Pretty russian women and America is full ROCk :rofl

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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2005, 08:56:14 AM »
i dunno wrag, the only thing missing from that tear jerking letter was country and western music. he is either the most inept lawyer or father, or both.  if the courts felt the children were better off with a pedophile, what do they have on him?

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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2005, 09:07:01 AM »
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i dunno wrag, the only thing missing from that tear jerking letter was country and western music. he is either the most inept lawyer or father, or both.  if the courts felt the children were better off with a pedophile, what do they have on him?


He is male.  He must prove his proof.  He must prove beyond ANY doubt that his ex is unfit.

Why, because he is male.  In many states the mother is automatically choosen as the only fit parent of the child.  Why?  orgainizations such as NOW have a very large amount of input.  Far more then you might think.

The male is far too often automatically the CAUSE of violence in in domestic abuse cases.

I'm pretty sure that many are going to think I'm just another whining male from this.  Hmmmmmm   really?  Well you don't know me.  Nor do you know how or why I have come to the attitude I currently have.

Let's just say been there done that.  Got a few years under my belt.
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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2005, 09:16:49 AM »
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Yup and I don't care (or necessarily believe it). The tone of his article is more about him now being 'free from paying the 6 figure support payment'.



He views his obligation to pay for the children he sired as a 'crime' and 'punishment' and thinks he is 'innocent' and should not have to pay or have paid.

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In our biased system...That I am now currently a victim of...you are treated like a criminal...treated like a bad father by a commie pinko judge for re-joining the Navy(this was during my visitation/custody case)....pay 85% of the support foir my daughter when my ex makes far more money than I do(based on the guidelines this should not be the case)..but since she keeps her money off the books I have not been able to show proof of that..yet they don't care..they won't even look into it. The courts miscalculated my income and strapped me with a payment so high I had to declare bankruptcy..then ended up costing ME a few thousand to have that fixed...not to mention I didn't get a refund for my overpayment in the months before it was corrected...my ex just got to keep that money...yet with all this I am very limited in my visitation...and it's more or less to my ex's discretion since I live out of state..It's not right that I don't get to enjoy the oppourtunity to be a father other than a few visits and phone calls..especially since I pay for it.....once you realize that you are basically cut off, the money does start to really bother you...so to all you guys that call this guy a whiner f-you....deal with this stuff..then see if your comments are the same.
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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2005, 10:38:36 AM »
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Pretty russian women and America is full ROCk :rofl

there is pretty big horde of mega chyt on that server lolol


That might be interesting if the post made any sense at all. It might be a language issue here.:confused:
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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2005, 04:39:02 PM »
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Hmm you ever been divorced with children involved?

You ever watch someone that basically is taking what you give to be used for a specific thing and KNOW they're applying it toward their own benifit instead?

You gonna talk the talk?  Then perhaps you should try walking the walk?

Whining?  Hmmmm.........


Who cares? Its not up to him to decide how the money is spent. The court ordered him to pay and he pays.

That's what he gets when turning to the court to solve his personal problems.

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Complaining?  His kids appear to have forgotten who he is, or was.  Was he just a convenient meal ticket to them and his ex and her new husband?[/b]


Who cares if his kids forgot him? He's complaining about money.

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I read the article and to me the tone is more about what he considered abuse placed upon him by that said system.[/b]


All you needed to read was this:

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There is no crime in this Country that penalizes an innocent person to pay six figures for something they would be judged as innocent. There is no crime that targets a percentage of future income to be paid under threat of arrest.


The title alone sums it up:

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Free At Last, Free At Last:Release From Child Support Debtors Prison


The rest of the stuff is just thrown in to garner sympathy.

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He tried to prove himself.  He tried to do what he could for his children.  The court appears to have ignored who he was and what he accomplished in life.  To have ignored arrest records.  To have ignored proof of misuse of funds.[/b]


Who said the courts ignored him? He did. I am sure the court and his ex have a different view.

Any one who losses a court case complains about how they were wronged. Every prisoner in prison claims he is innocent.

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What he received from that system made him feel as if he were sent to a debtors prison, which by the way has been outlawed within the U.S.

Again his children no longer seem to know him.  Or to care about him other then the money.[/b]


What he got from the system is what he put into it.

As for his children 'only caring about the money' not even he says that. He claims his ex keeps the kids from him and spends his money  on her pedophile beau.

Maybe there's a reason his children don't want anything to do with him?

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I don't think he would have reacted the same way if he had been ALLOWED to be a part of his childrens lives.
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Sure he would. The payments would remain the same and that's what he is whining about.

Let's run through it:

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Over twelve years of semi-monthly payments, adding up into six figure contributions for my "children"


Seems to imply that since his kids dont care to see him he shouldn't have to pay. That's not how it works.

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I used this as an opportunity to see how my ex was using my child support payments.  I subpoenaed bank and credit card records, and meticulously tracked them to my payments to the penny.

My second futile attempt was to believe a court would be aghast to see that over 80% of my payments were diverted from supporting my children.  Eighty percent.  Spent on my ex and her child molesting beau.


He's worried about where the mony is going rather then protecting his children form a pedophile.

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The end result was that it mattered not how she spent the money.  But I would lose my law license, my driver's license and my freedom if I failed to pay.


More whines about money.

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With my life savings depleted, and several years of forward savings already spent, I succumbed to my role as a person on parole never convicted of a crime.


More whining about being punished for having to support his own children.

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Both interventions cost me between $3000 and $4000 each.  And the result was the same - a directive from a "mediator", not a judge, to allow visitation.


More whining about the costs. If his kids were really threatened by a pedophile 3 - 4k aint a heck of a lot to keep them safe.

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I have been barred from participating in my children's lives, yet I have been ordered to provide their support.


More whining. He seems to think child support is some sort of 'bond' that should guarrantee his kids seeing him. Any dead beat could just refuse to see thier kids to avoid paying if that were the case.

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There is no crime in this Country that penalizes an innocent person to pay six figures for something they would be judged as innocent.  There is no crime that targets a percentage of future income to be paid under threat of arrest.


Once again he claims he's treated as a criminal because the courts demand he take care of his children.

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While my last support payment represents freedom from incarceration, my children were alienated from me and encouraged to call a sexual deviant their new father.


More of the same:

Support = bond...

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A male whine hmmm.....  what kind of man would LET .............. ???

You apparently have NOT expeirenced the legal system this country now has when it comes to child custody and divorce.  Males have very few, if any, rights in many states.  Story after story is being told regarding this matter and the media ignores those stories.  Some do time in jail because they argued with the judge, and tried to claim they had rights, and then go back in jail upon release for failure to pay their support payments while they were in JAIL!  The Child Support people were there the day of their release and had them arrested before they even got out of the jail.

He would be in jail doing HARD time for ignoring the courts orders!  You ever find yourself in the same situation remember THAT![/b]


Yeah, it's better that he is safe and out of prison rather then protecting his children from a pedophile.

He's a heck of a guy aint he...

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HOT NEWS FLASH!!!

Federal Law states that a veterans benefits my NOT be attached in any way shape or form by anyone!

The states, with the help of state judges, have gotten around/ignored that.

They do this even though the children automatically get compensation from the VA.

How?  Simple the courts ignore it.  It's not enforced.  If it's not enforced it has NO affect.

You don't believe that?  Impossible?  Is that what your gonna say?  Do the work look it up.  What's actually occuring in the U.S. legal world is much different then you might think.  Your rights?  You only have the ones your willing to fight for.  And even then you may find yourself imprisioned or dead trying to claim them.  That's where we are and where we have always been one way or another.  History shows it.  History proves it. [/B]


I don't care anything about the rest of your rant. Nothing in that article says anything about his veteran's benefits.

If you are referring to your own life I don't care anything about that either. I would just repeat what I already said. When folks turn to the courts for a solution to their personal problems then they deserve what they get.

Its almost a sure thing that who ever comes off worse will be whining about how 'unjust' it is.

ASTAC,

I could care less about your life. Everyone's a victim, especially the angry males...

I refer you to what I said above.

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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2005, 04:59:50 PM »
Oh well everyone is intitled to their own opinion.

Kinda hope one day you have to face this situation and yet pretty much hope you won't Wotan.  It soooooo ............ frustrating, infuriationg, and seems senseless.  The people you have to deal with seem so arrogant toward you and any rights you think you might have at times. Trying to play poker with a deck that's stacked against you and win is very NOT easy.

I'm sure that sounds silly to you doesn't it Wotan?

Thinking you would be in for a very rude awakening.  But thats just my opinion and doesn't mean squat.

But then no ones life or the expeirences they have had mean much to you either does it?

You could care less?  Does that mean you care just a little?  But you could find it in yourself to care less?

Well luck to you, best wishes also, ..............
« Last Edit: June 07, 2005, 05:05:47 PM by wrag »
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« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2005, 06:41:02 PM »
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Kinda hope one day you have to face this situation and yet pretty much hope you won't Wotan.


I am pragmatic enough to accept certain things with out internalizing them to a point where I turn myself into a 'victim'.

In issues like divorce and custody once you assume the role 'victim' you are no longer able to arrive at a rational compromise.  'Playing to win' in these situations (your poker referrence) only ensures that everyone including the kids lose. Things will inevitably snowball to the point where each side gets entrenched and 'victim' is more occupied with abstract concepts like 'justice' then 'doing the right thing'.

The guy in the article blames every one from the ex-wife to the courts to his kids and society. Not only does he not appear to take responsibility for how things turned out he appears that he views his responsibility to support his children financially as a burden.

Sometimes you come out a ahead sometimes you lose. Crying about losing is pathetic.

When I read the article I read it as a one sided biased complaint about money.

Women, minorities, one legged midgets etc... all have their own stories about how the deck gets stacked against them.

If you look to the court to solve personal issues then inevitably you will come away less then satisfied. It happens to everyone.

This guys story is nothing more then his version of the events and ought not be taken at face value.

'I could care less' means that anything outside the points raised in the article linked is irrelevant to the points of this discussion. Bringing life experiences into the discussion is not my concern. Maybe a self help group or Dr. Phil can help with that.

 My points deal with the substance of the article. Veteran's benefits, whether or not the guys kids just want his money is not anything I care about.

As Torque said:

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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2005, 06:56:59 PM »
I never looked as myself as the victim, but I did lose..i feel in a big way...maybe the guy in the article was motivated by money, I am not. Even as I write this I am contiplating how to deal with the latest in how my ex is making it hard for me to get my visitation(while at the same time being robbed blind)

If anything wotan you should at least see how the courts ar very biased when it comes to support and custody. It takes nothing but hearsay for a father to lose much of his rights, but you have to have hard evidence against the woman to get anything changed.

If you piss her off all she has to do is make  up a story and the courts buy it every time..and wham all the sudden you are limited to 2 hours of supervised visitation every other week.

yet to get a child from the mother you have to show that she's a drug user prostitute living with a dealer in a crack house. Tell me that isn't biased.
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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2005, 06:15:32 AM »
Your world is, it seems, a great deal different them mine.

The courts get involved far more frequently in peoples lives then they used too.

Sadly this occures wether the people want it or not.

The statement was made

 "That's what he gets when turning to the court to solve his personal problems."

Are you sure "he" turned to the courts?  Provin fact, women seek the divorce in the courts well over 50% of the time.

So you gonna refuse to go to court if you ever find yourself in that situation?

You just gonna take control and tell the courts where to get off?  You gonna just take your children away from their mother?

This, IMHO, is the way you Wotan are coming across.  You're just not going to allow it?

While I do not wish to offend IMHO the statements made thus far appear to ignore what is far too often the legal reality, and sound most arragant.

Not caring about what or how things happen to others is IMHO MOST FOOLISH.

Far too many people seem to take such an attitude UNTIL it happens to them.  Often they prove to be the ones screaming the loudest when such happens.  Or, far to often, the ones doing the worst of things to other human beings.

All are intitled to their opinions.

To me the individual was expressing what he had tried to do and what happened.

It appears to others that he is only whining and a loser.

Too many males I know are such, not because they whined or complained, but because the courts MADE them such.

Inept attorneys?  Perhaps.  

Whining about money?  Hey when each time you find yourself DRUG screaming and kicking into court and then find it's gonna cost you thousands of dollars to defend your self and the money you lose to the other party will be used to pay for their attorney they used against you.

Think I might whine too.  Ventelating can be a good thing.  Holding it in, sucking it up, can be the worst possible thing to do.  Explosions of violence can result and people can die otherwise.

And it can be even worse then this guy got.  Like being ordered to pay all, or even more, then you earn in support of your children.  You think it hasn't happened?  

OOPS i'm sorry none of this is important to some of us.

None of this matters .......... hey it's just some loser crying about what the courts did to him,  Courts he should have stayed out of.  

WAIT?!?!

UH OH hmmmm ......... wonder how things would have turned out if he had just NOT gone to court?  Presented NO evidence of his income?  Which far too frequently is all the courts seem concerned about in such cases.  Wonder if the judge would have gotten angery or insulted and really givin him the shaft?

Hmmm .... I probably am wasting some ones time here.  Possibly my own.

Oh Well it don't matter, to some, anyways.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2005, 06:17:57 AM by wrag »
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« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2005, 08:05:36 AM »
Wow. If you found whining in that then you must find the Declaration of Independence to be the world's biggest b*tch fest. :rolleyes: