Richest Are Leaving Even the Rich Far Behind

[moot]

So it's fair to donate to a stranger on the other side of the planet, but not to your descendence?

[storch]

Originally posted by Airhead
The idea that one person can pull themselves out of dire economic straights and achieve, through hard work and sacrifice, a superior way of life that can be passed on to thier children is the very nature of democracy.

You should move to the Peoples' Republic of Mendocino County, JB88. The primary industry is attracting and caring for indignents, from food to halfway houses to Methadone, with teams of activists recruiting homeless off the freeway onramps and convincing them we have the social services in place that'll make Ukiah a great place to live and be a vagrant in.  

We don't keep score at youth sporting events, the kids don't have numbers on thier shirts, and if a kid scores two goals in a soccer game or hits a couple of home runs then he's benched lest he stick out and make his teammates feel inferior.

You would like it here JB88...no individulism allowed, kinda like a virtual Squad that requires you to give up your old handle and adopt a number.

are you trolling?  say it ain't so! i can't believe this. not even in the people's republic california.

[JB88]

again.  i see this as socialogical.

i think that it is fair to donate whatever you want to to whomever you want to.

but i think that it creates problems and i think that we would all be far better off if the focus actually was helping your fellow man rather than spoiling a brat.

build a friggin library, set up a fund to cure cancer instead.

someday, we are going to look back at history and wonder how we could have been so petty and stupid about so many things.

privelidge is an illusion.  superpower is an illusion.  money isnt even real.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by JB88
wow.  

a.  i did not say that we should get rid of it.  (i am not FOR giving it to government either)

b.  born priveledge is not hard work.  not even remotely.

c.  i believe that inheritance actually discourages work.

so that said, reread my post and tell me where i said we should go welfare state.

to me, it is a socialogical issue.

i think that we will reach a time when society begins to look at ways to level the playing field rather than unequally leveling players.

then we will see some real capitalism baby.

oh, and do some homework.  the JB squad never asks you to change your handle or go to a number.  

we do it because we feel honored to be a part of a brotherhood.  i made that choice and i am proud to have done so.

i dont need to be "mrwickawacka" to have fun.

you might fly with us sometime.  its actually quite diverse and spirited.  its hard to think of any other squad that would encourage me to be as individualistic as i am.

It is not your money or the governments to **** around with. What that hell makes you think you should have any bearing on the money one man earns and what he wants done with it in death?

[JB88]

did you read the previous posts or are you just slow?

for the last time, and please follow along, i dont think that the government should do squat with it.

i think that it is a socialogical issue.

i think that helping mankind is good.

i think that entitlement is silly.

i think that society will eventually turn its back on those who are unwilling to help others.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lazs2
raider... you are being shortsighted... I pay that 580 a year all my working life... not just while my children are of school age... some people pay it and never have any children.  

That is not the point tho... if, as silat and you say... we need to fund education... then It matters not how it is done so long as we get good results for the money... Private schools are not normally "capitalism" vs "socialism" at all.   they are simply choice.

 

Paying taxes for education is more than just your kids, if you have any. It's good for society to have education offered to everyone. You benefit from it even if you think you havent. How many people are educated by public schools and go on to do great things? It may not be at the same percentage as private schools but it proves that it does produce intelligent and sucessful people. Call it socialism if you want but giving everyone an opprotunity for k-12 is one thing I am happy to pay taxes on.

[Toad]

Raider,

Just curious; seems I discussed things with someone much like you under a different BBS name in the past.


Have you posted on this board under a different BBS name prior to being Raider179?

Thanks!

[Raider179]

Negative...

[lazs2]

raider... no problem.. I would agree with you that educating our children is a very good thing and that it is worth a lot of money... Money is, for you who don't know... what you earn by working for...money is the paper representation of your sweat.

I am willing to contribute my sweat and blood to educate your children and my childrens children...  Hell... I will pound pins on the next school raising...

I just want to get the most for my money.   I, and all of us taxpayers, are being cheated by the public school system... their one sided monopoly is an expensive farce that gets worse every year.

Private schools markedly outperform public schools and at a fraction of the cost.   Also... those who are offended by the current public school agenda are being forced to pay for it or worse... pay for it and have their children expossed to it at the same time.

also..

If 88 could read my posts I would ask him what he meant by society eventually turning it's back on those who are unwilling to help others...  this would seem to say that society only consists of certain people... others are left out... it would also seem to say that the wealthy are not contributing to charity... this is very far from the truth.  Wealthy people contribute the lions share to all charities.  

He thinks that helping mankind is good.... well... there is a novel idea.   Everyone thinks that.  Some do more than others.   Some feel that they should do less than others and that they should decide how much each person should contribute and to what.

Also... there is that old buggaboo.... what acts can be proven to really "help" mankind?   Who decides what are worthy acts or charities or whatever?  Seems only the individual can make that personal choice.

lazs

[Raider179]

Every private school I have ever seen is expensive as hell. Not sure where you are getting at a "fraction of the cost".

[Airhead]

Originally posted by storch
are you trolling?  say it ain't so! i can't believe this. not even in the people's republic california.

Dude, you don't even know...As the WIC roles and relief roles rise staff are added, and as staff are added people are promoted, new programs branch out and yes, indeedie, derelects are actually recruited by traveling bands of "advocates" who are paid  (and, indeed, have the best jobs in town) Government employees who have a vested intrest in seeing the relief roles increase.

Seriously- the fishing industry and lumber industry have been destroyed by a combination of Left Wing activism and Right Wing "free trade" agreements where local mills have to compete with a subsidized Canadian timber industry, so all that's left is Government employment or, our other fast track growth industry, "compassionate caregiving" by growing legal dope.

What mills that ARE still open now use migrant Mexican workers (read: exempt from taxes, minimum wages, labor laws) because timber is an "agriculturial" product.

The powers that be up here are a combination of 70s Back to the Land Hippies and local old money rednecks- the Hippies want to hinder growth, unless it's Government growth, and the Rednecks want to hinder growth because they're afraid of another influx of Back to the Land hippies.

[oboe]

Originally posted by lazs2
To be fair... the rich will allways get richer unless you set a cieling and then confiscate wealth at that point.

The real issue is not how many people are getting super rich but how many people are doing worse because of it.    Are more poor people being created?   Are the rich taking the money out of anyones pockets or....

Is it simply that creeping socialism is creating a larger and larger tax burden for everyone?    We make more money but are able to keep less of it.   Thisw is not the fault of the rich and.... even if we soaked em until they no longer had incentive to produce....  We would still continue to pay more and more and more and more and more taxes no matter what our income bracket.

The rich aren't hurting me... the socialists are with they well ententioned and bloated programs... Is SS in trouble because of the rich?

lazs

Hard to believe nobody jumped on you for that first statement about confiscating wealth after a certain point.   It's a simple solution to a well-known problem of free-market capitalism, though, and I'm sure you aren't the first to have suggested it.

As far as the rich not taking money out of your pockets or hurting you in any way- you live in California, right?   So neither you nor any of those close to you were hurt in any way by the Enron-conspired artificial energy crisis in California?    Did you not have to suffer through rolling black- or brownouts?   Or pay more for anything because of increased energy costs?   My guess is you were hurt in more than one way but didn't realize it.   The guys running Enron were pretty rich, btw.

You use MS Windows, right?   And Microsoft was convicted after monopolisitic anti-competitive practices.   MS's illegal practices caused you to pay more for Windows than you would've otherwise.   And Microsoft is lead by some pretty rich people.

And Walmart's employment practices which increase costs of government provided social services is widely recognized, and has even lead to an anti-Walmart bill being introduced in the Montana legislature.   You have Walmarts in Cali?   Walmart's leaders are also pretty wealthy.

Just a few examples off the top of my head.

[Steve]

Did you not have to suffer through rolling black- or brownouts?

Exactly how do you connect this to Enron/rich people?

[oboe]

Are you asking how Enron is connected to rich people?  Or were you unaware that the California energy crisis of a couple years ago was 'manufactured' Enron in order to raise energy prices?

btw, I don't mean to suggest what laz says about the costs of creeping socialism is wrong either - as far as I can tell the middle class is getting chewed on from both ends.

Neither do I mean to characterize all wealthy people as cheating connivers.   I'm sure there are plenty of hardworking, smart and ambitious wealthy people following their dreams and achieving material success - you probably chief among them, Steve.

[Steve]

Or were you unaware that the California energy crisis of a couple years ago was 'manufactured' Enron in order to raise energy prices?

ROFL.  sorry, I didn't know I was conversing w/ a fool.  I'll go back to dismissing anything you post as worthless tripe.  Carry on.