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Offline Silat

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« on: June 10, 2005, 02:08:00 AM »
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/edumat/hreduseries/tb1b/Section2/activity2.html


OVERVIEW

The distribution of wealth and power within society usually affects a person’s opportunities to achieve full human rights and live a life with dignity. This activity involves the distribution of wealth. It challenges participants to examine the concepts of “fairness” and “responsibility” and reflect on their own actions.

 

Time: 1 hour Materials: 100 pennies (or 100 peanuts or wrapped candies for younger participants)
Setting: Elementary school Š Adult groups (See suggestions for adaptation for young children at end of activity,)
 


PROCEDURE

Note: Keep in mind the socioeconomic composition of your participant population. Guard against having this activity confirm the existing inequalities in wealth and power.

           


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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2005, 02:25:02 AM »
why do you love this game?

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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2005, 02:28:50 AM »
It's a one-way deal Silat, you can accept help, not force it to be given to you.
Self-reliance is the only guarantee you'll always be satisfied in life.

Older relatives of mine were sometimes born in stone rooms in the middle of nowhere in the thirdworld.  
They made the right choices and are now in comfortable positions in profitable companies.
The others followed average paths and received average returns, what's the surprise?
The only way out is up.  I wouldn't be satisfied to do anything less than they did.

What about the very poorest, should they consider the next-richest homeless selfish and greedy? Same with the other end of the spectrum.

Things will be equal when it's realized that the inequality is result of inequal will and effort.  Proportional to the time it's been happening is the accumulation of wealth.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2005, 02:37:13 AM »
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Self-reliance is the only guarantee you'll always be satisfied in life.


Things will be equal when it's realized that the inequality is result of inequal will and effort.  


I agree with this.

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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2005, 03:53:00 AM »
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I agree with this.


You are completely discounting luck of birth. luck etc.
I know many who worked as hard as I and dont make it.
IMO I want social programs, Free education etc. The money we waste on pork and weapons systems would take care of it.
Im sorry some of you dont feel the same.
But that is your right.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2005, 04:08:18 AM »
there's no such thing as luck.

If you want something (e.g. something for free), you need to make it happen, not wait for someone to make it happen for you.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2005, 04:10:36 AM »
again ^ agree with moot.

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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2005, 04:14:15 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2005, 04:31:58 AM »
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You are completely discounting luck of birth.  



that one makes me laugh, btw.

I know a guy born in the mid-60s into a house without running water, without a bathroom, didn't even have an outhouse. had to go to the barn with the cows to do "the #1s and #2s". woodstove for cooking and heat. no A/C. etc. (list could go on and on) til the mid-70s.

I don't think he turned out too bad.
got a decent enough job, makes avg. pay for the job, decent insurance for most part. no major debts of any kind. nice lil bank account going for retirement.

I do agree with needing better education, though.
need more in schools to teach self reliance, rather than teaching gimme handouts.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2005, 08:12:58 AM »
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Originally posted by Silat
You are completely discounting luck of birth. luck etc.
I know many who worked as hard as I and dont make it.
IMO I want social programs, Free education etc. The money we waste on pork and weapons systems would take care of it.
Im sorry some of you dont feel the same.
But that is your right.


Luck of birth is one thing that can be overcome through work and determination.
As often as not to a large extent we make our own luck.
Not to say there arent times when you may have a run of bad luck.
I know cause I just went through a winter where I would swear a black cloud was following me around. Literally everything that could go wrong, did.
But looking back on it some of my bad luck was of my own making.
Irreguardless. To a large extent it how we deal with the bad luck.
You can either submit to it or become determined not to let it beat you and overcome it.

In my case I've been worse off.
To be blunt about it I've literally been one step away from being homeless. Unemployment having run out and Living in an Apt whos Gas and electric had been turned off and my first meal in 3 days was a can of canned potatoes unheated. two days later my next meal consisted of a package of Ramone Noodles left to soak in cold water
Amazing the things your willing to eat when you get hungry enough. I got lucky later that day and found a dollar in the street which made me able to afford to buy a pack of hot dogs(on sale) and a can of Sterno.
I could have given into to my run of bad luck and submitted to it
I could have went for welfare but I wouldnt .
Instead I got sick and tired of it and became angry enough, and determined enough to beat it and I got a job drying cars at a car wash and started putting my life back together again bit by bit and peice by peice. Now 23 years later Im in a house I can sell tomorrow for 300 K and have people fighting for it. 2 vehicles less then 5 years old and have my own buisness.
Had I gone on welfare I very well might now have anything I currently have.
Welfare is the easy path. And too easy to get used to.
In general people tend to take the easy path. Proof of this can be seen here in the MA with the horde warriors.
Instead I pulld myself up by my bootstraps and to large extent made my own luck. Nobody handed me a damn thing and I never accepted any charity from the government.

Many of the social programs in place are just that. Government handouts. Too easy to accept and too easy to get used to.
The reason why our ancestors managed to do so well in this country I beleive is there were very few government handouts so they HAD to pull themselves up on their own or starve.
No many people come here expecting and specifically looking for the handout. I know I've met some of them.
Point of the matter is if you want to get anywhere you wont do it by way of a free ride.
You do it through work,will and self determination.
Its your choice
« Last Edit: June 10, 2005, 01:17:11 PM by DREDIOCK »
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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2005, 08:42:04 AM »
I have been up and down financially.  I am not rich by any means but I feel that I have what I need.  

The times I was down were my own doing.  You can allways get back up.  Some luck is involved but mostly it is a combonation of determination and some smarts.

You can have all the social programs you want to pay for but...

That is not what you want..  what you want is to be able to extort money from everyone that you deem able to pay so that you can spend the money on anything that you deem a worthy cause... nothing less will satisfy you.  

I am not at all sure that you know what is best for everyone.

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2005, 09:28:58 AM »
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You are completely discounting luck of birth. luck etc


Who cares if some one gets 'lucky' in life.

WTF does that have to do with you?

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I know many who worked as hard as I and don't make it.


A guy that shovels shyte his whole life works hard. But so what, there's a billion shyte shovelers out there.

Hard work with out common sense and application isn't worth the shyte you may end up shoveling. We don't live in a caste system where folks get locked into a 'life'. Life and work is what you make out of it.

Stealing money (distribution of wealth) from those who used what skills they have (or even from those who you claim are 'lucky') will only create a larger dependent class.

BTW inheriting money (luck by birth) isn't luck. All the elders in my family worked hard over their lives to provide something to their children and their children's children etc. Any wealth that gets passed down isn't 'luck'; it's what parents do for their children.

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That is not what you want.. what you want is to be able to extort money from everyone that you deem able to pay so that you can spend the money on anything that you deem a worthy cause... nothing less will satisfy you.


You called that correctly...

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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2005, 11:53:20 AM »
LOL, an socialistic/communistic indoctrination tool.

See those rich people Peter, they didn't earn thier wealth, they GRABBED it from you.  They do not deserve their wealth, you do.  Take it from them, either through legislation or shame.

Luck.  Phhht.  Somebody along the line busted a nut for that money.

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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2005, 12:12:39 PM »
My Dad always told us "It's not how many times you get knocked down in life, it's how many times you get back up."

Back to the great-great-grandparent level, there's no one on either side of my family that had a pot to pee in except the one they earned for themselves by plain old hard work. I mean work like driving spikes on a railroad track gang until you're 65 years old type work for the early ones.

The family has progressed though because education was sacrosanct. I'd all all their descendents qualify as US "middle class". None need public assistance. Some are better off than others but none are truly in desperate need.

Seems like you can take one of two roads. On one your life is what you make it. On the other life is what you can beg or steal from someone else. Wonder which one will be more fulfilling?

Exceptions have to be made for those who can't help themselves for health or other reasons.  But if you're able-bodied and have a rational mind, you have to take one of those two roads.

Everybody chooses.
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2005, 01:20:43 PM »
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LOL, an socialistic/communistic indoctrination tool.


Presenting the wealth as a pre-existing and finite pool, where the only thing we can do is to "grab" the bigger share of it at the expense of others.

Nothing but commie propaganda, if this is what the public schools shove into  children throats, it's scary.

Wealth is not found, wealth is created out of nothing by work and acts of an intelligent human being. It belongs to the one who created it. Your ideology of stealing from those you deem undeserving and giving to those who you think deserve it just that, a theft.

Create your own wealth and then you can share all you want, even all of it.
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