Laz interesting Voucher case

[Silat]

Here is a current voucher case. Seems pretty interesting.

Florida's Supreme Court hears voucher challenge
http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/06/08/school.vouchers.ap/index.html

TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- The state Supreme Court took up the legality of the nation's first statewide school voucher program, with the justices focusing on how it's funded and the implications for religion.

the justices returned again and again to the meaning of the state constitutional provision saying it is a "paramount duty" of the state to provide for the education of children. That sentence is immediately followed by one saying the state "shall" establish a system of free public schools.

[lazs2]

I am not at all surprised given the liberal democrat makeup of Floridas court.

Having said that...  I am not in it  to argue about the legality of it but the effectiveness and the freedom of choice and the problems with government monopolies.

I believe that the teachers union is running scared on this one and using their trump cards to do everything they can to halt this inevitable trend.

they know they can't win on merit so they go for the nebulous "seperation of church and state" card.

One way to look at it would be to simply give the people who opted out of the crappy public school system a tax break... There ise no law that says that people have to support public schools with their own money.

Why would public schools and democrats be fighting it if they thought that they had a good system?

My thought is also that....Public schools are their own religion and dogma at this point.  Anythime you have no competition and kids hear only one view of things you have a form of "religion" or at least dogma.

lazs

[Leslie]

An attempt was recently made to remove language from Alabama's constitution that said "it is not a right in this state to an education."  It was put to a vote to remove racist language from the constitution, along with a couple archaic items that no one would have had a problem with removing.  However this was added in to erase the right to education language, and because the people of Alabama were smarter than you think, that measure was voted down and the ones voting it down are called racists by the local media mostly  I don't want anyone messing around with the state constitution, and will always vote no on changing it, just by principle.  I don't trust anyone that manipulates language to sound like what it's not.

The main concern was judges taxing people by court order, circumventing the current way of voting for increases in property taxes, which pays for education in this state.  That is voted on by the people.  If the language is removed, then that implies there is a right and "education" taxes could be ordered against the will of the people.

That's my take on it.



Les

[Silat]

Originally posted by lazs2
I am not at all surprised given the liberal democrat makeup of Floridas court.

Having said that...  I am not in it  to argue about the legality of it but the effectiveness and the freedom of choice and the problems with government monopolies.

lazs

Laz I was just pointing you to an interesting case involving school vouchers:)

[Toad]

Originally posted by Leslie
The main concern was judges taxing people by court order, circumventing the current way of voting for increases in property taxes, which pays for education in this state.  That is voted on by the people.  If the language is removed, then
Les

A very valid concern. That's happening right now in Kansas.

The Supreme Court's unanimous decision ordering more money for education drew a quick "I told you so" for lawmakers from Gov. Kathleen Sebelius. Lawmakers had dismissed her school tax plan.

There are three maybe four counties in the whole State that pay the bulk of the taxes. They have raised taxes to fund the schools in the other counties to the point of the rediculous while the large districts in the "paying" counties are starved for funds.

The extreme rural districts have more money than they can spend right now and are just pissing away money.

But, hey... it's what the courts want.

[GtoRA2]

So lets see
Big business monopoly is bad.


But a monopoly on public schools is ok because the government runs things so much better then the private sector?





Foolishness.

The government could **** up a wet dream. Nothing they do works the way it should or if it does it cost way more then they said. On top of that the teachers unions have ****ed the school systems over and nothing is going to change that until the government breaks the unions. That will never happen.  


The public school system is doomed to be a ****ty waste of money. Anyone who wants to give them more thinking it is going to help is at best a very a hopeless idealist at worst a plain old fool.