Author Topic: GM Employee pricing.. (Read 1710 times)

Dago · « **Reply #45 on:** June 11, 2005, 11:47:50 AM »

GM products are basically ****. Wouldnt own one, if somebody gave me one, I would sell if first thing.

dago

J_A_B · « **Reply #46 on:** June 11, 2005, 11:48:51 AM »

Chairboy--

For maximum economy, instead of buying the 2-3 year old vehicles (which are also quite often someone else's problem), look for vehicles that older people owned but seldom used. Such vehicles are often 8-12 years old or more and can occasionally be found in remarkably good condition for the age (sometimes it can take a couple months to find the vehicle you want, patience is required). Due to the age they are always an extremely good buy since they've depreciated about all they're going to. The Roadmaster was 9 years old when I bought it, 42K on the odometer, and I paid barely more than $6K for a big fancy car with an LT1 engine that looks like it came out of the showroom yesterday.

Same story with the Cadillac, set me back about $7,500 for a car that I had for 6 years and had minimal problems. That works out to about $100/month...for a Cadillac (and I only had to part with it due to a crash, not because the car gave out). Most of my friends who bought Accords or Cavaliers or whatnot spent twice as much or more for a car that didn't last as long.

Insurance is also much cheaper than on a new car.

J_A_B

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #47 on:** June 11, 2005, 02:01:52 PM »

Gm has been good to me. I ear a lot of "piece of crap", but I have a 1998 Vortek SIlverado heavy duty and this thing works flawless. And it's a working truck, I load it with all type of roofing material, even sand. You barely feel you have a load in acceleration and braking, and the steering is still great. In comparaison, a Ford 250 drives like it's on sand when reaching 50 when overloaded.

We still have a 1975 C60 dump truck that still carries more than it should on a weekly basis. We have 2 chevy S10s, from the late 80s that are still runing with 100 miles+.

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M has'nt built a decent vehicle since '68. They are overpriced, underengineered, shoddy pieces of crap. Their workmanship is lousy at best.

I think it's a very limited view. Hey I still drive a 1973 Formula, unrestored engine/trany that still pulls 14-15 secs at the 1/4 mile. The late 1990s Firebird had balls too, but they were uggly. I had a Grand Am for a month, the thing worked great as a daily car. My girl friend had an old beat up Cavalier 7 years ago, that lasted 2 years without maintenance.

I think the GM sucks crowd, is just plain silly, stereotyping a company on a bad experience, or rumors, like this BBS is stereotyping the French.

Tronsky , as far as the import look of the GTO, I think it looks round, it looks like an Opel Astra from the 1990s, or any modern Honda fastback.

the car you showed, is it an aftermarket body kit for the Vauxaul, or is it factory. Go to Pontiac.com, it's not available from the US dealership. If it's Vauxaul, or Opel, it may be a GM branch, it's from Europe so it's an import for the US:)

Dago · « **Reply #48 on:** June 11, 2005, 08:10:03 PM »

I guess I should narrow it down some, Chevys suck. Some GMs like Pontiac are acceptable. Olds was a good car, as is Buick.

dago

-tronski- · « **Reply #49 on:** June 12, 2005, 03:23:59 AM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy

Tronsky , as far as the import look of the GTO, I think it looks round, it looks like an Opel Astra from the 1990s, or any modern Honda fastback.

the car you showed, is it an aftermarket body kit for the Vauxaul, or is it factory. Go to Pontiac.com, it's not available from the US dealership. If it's Vauxaul, or Opel, it may be a GM branch, it's from Europe so it's an import for the US:)

Because the Pontiac GTO is made here in Aus, I wondered what was about the car that made it "look" like an import. I don't think anyone I know thinks the US version of the car is good looking. Most agree the front is butt ugly...

The body kits are standard for the car, the top is the out of the box CV8 with a Gen III 5.7 litre V8 (soon to be Gen IV 6.0 litre V8) , the bottom one is the HSV LS2 GTO with the Gen IV V8 standard. HSV is the Holden "sports" offshoot of the factory - which offers new built cars with specialist options.

Both cars are GM-Holden made "Monaro's", which is what the Pontiac GTO is called here. The Monaro built for the american market has (apart from being left hand drive) the redesigned nose (the rounder one of your pic) and the suspension is aparently different to suit the less harsh american ride - but apart from extras the basic car is the same.

The Monaro is the 2 door coupe version of the Holden Commodore.

Tronsky

lazs2 · « **Reply #50 on:** June 13, 2005, 08:49:46 AM »

got to agree with sour... the only cars Gm is making that are neat is the CTS and the vette. The GTO is very nice but.... It is so ugly that it would be impossible to live with.. I think the aussie version is even uglier if that is possible.

I do think that GM makes some pretty neat drivetrains tho... but... all this melted plastic look and front wheel drive crap has killed em. they need another Impala SS type car that looks a little leaner... A new Chevelle SS maybe with a frame and rear wheel drive and a square front end. Who is using that 1/2 a mpg or last ten mph past 150 mph that the melted look generates? All it does is kill sales.

lazs

SirLoin · « **Reply #51 on:** June 13, 2005, 11:35:14 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
The good news is... all 25,000 of those people still get the employee discount!!

(I get our stuff at 2% below wholesale if I pick it up at the factory. I don't think GM is that generous.)

Seems like at the dealership everybody is getting the employee discount.

gofaster · « **Reply #52 on:** June 13, 2005, 03:51:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Im a GM employee (subsid)... I doubt they'll be giving the "full" break to the public... the employee discount is HUGE.

That said... GM's products (car wise) are largely crap. Couple exceptions:

CTS-V

C6 Z06

Nice choices. Those are the only 2 GM products I'd consider buying - because both of those win on the track. The CTS-V rules in the SPEED World Challenge (Andy Pilgrim is 733t!) and the GMAC Corvette team pwns Sebring and ALMS GT classes.

Pontiac is the new red-headed stepchild now that Oldsmobile is gone. The latest decision to have Pontiac build its own unique line is a wise move, because otherwise it could be axed and let Buick and Chevy have their platforms back.

navajoboy · « **Reply #53 on:** June 15, 2005, 05:15:43 PM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
Was it a Ford?

wow ford basher huh?
1991 ford explorer xlt with 201,181 miles. it runs 106 miles a day for 3 days out of the week and going strong except seat covers.

navajo24

Slash27 · « **Reply #54 on:** June 15, 2005, 05:32:57 PM »

Went to the dealer today. Was $10k off the MSRP on the truck I looked at. Not bad.

As far as GM having poor quality, Ive had very good luck with their trucks. I dont know about their cars.

Dodge however, is the biggest piece of garbage on the planet.

Toad · « **Reply #55 on:** June 15, 2005, 06:52:00 PM »

Bought my mother-in-law a Chevy Cobalt last night.

Stickered $15750, KBB invoice ~$14,450, GM Employee ~$13,300

(don't remember the "~" exactly but those are close.

Bought it on "SmartBuy" a combo lease/purchase with a balloon at the end of 4 years. SmartBuy gives the Cobalt an additonal $~2250 Rebate.

Trick is you have to make ONE payment and then can pay it off with no penalty.

Out the door for $10,990, nearly $5K off list and way under Employee.

I will make ONE payment ($199) and then pay it off.

Good deal, I think. She's getting older and needs a small, easy to park car. It drives very well, seats are good and trim/fit/finish was way above what I expected. It's near Honda Civic/Toyo Corolla quality throughout.

We'll see how it lasts but she's delighted. Of course, she was driving a '93 Buick that the air crapped out on!

SirLoin · « **Reply #56 on:** June 15, 2005, 09:37:38 PM »

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Originally posted by navajoboy
wow ford basher huh?
1991 ford explorer xlt with 201,181 miles. it runs 106 miles a day for 3 days out of the week and going strong except seat covers.

navajo24

Yep..See the crap quality system in progress everyday on the assembly line(Ford Oakville)

Take it from me..don't buy a Freestar(there are currently 2000+ vans parked awaiting a retrofit of the auto-sliding door chain...They made the chain outta plastic to save $2 a unit)

Tarmac · « **Reply #57 on:** June 16, 2005, 03:59:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Schaden
um is this the same GM that's cutting 25,000 workers jobs?

http://www.webpronews.com/business/topbusiness/wpn-54-20050608GeneralMotorsTrims25000FromPayrollIsItEnough.html

Before you get your panties in a bunch like all the media has been, it's a transitional cut. They just won't hire to refill positions that leave through retirement, etc. Like someone said, it's predicted that the streamlining will be a net difference of 25,000 by 2008. There won't be a massive pink slip handout, as so many want to think.