when i 1st started playin, i couldnt get any kills but could always just get in a lala and up and get 2 or 3 kills and land em each time, to me its the same as the Tempest without an extra 20mm. The problem isn't with one or two of them, they are easy to deal with, the problem is when every dweeb and there brother grab one and get going 320mph , they either run into you, or get a lucky shot at you while your duking it out with a spit5 or something... heck you can shoot 1 down turn for his buddy and, he can up again and be back to where your at before you whack his buddy... imagine if the tempest wasnt perked, how many would you see, its an ongoing problem thats just going to get out of hand... look at the chog, its perked, only a lil bit, but enough to keep the #'s down... its not about fighting 1 or 2, but when every plane is a lala it gets very old lol