Your ISP as Net watchdog

[AWMac]

Hmmmmm.... maybe archive all the threads in the O Club?

Heeeeey wait a minute!!!!!

[vorticon]

"Its rampant, its growing, unfortunately its occuring out of reach of our law enforcement, we can however endeavour to cut the "demand" factor at our end.
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i think he was saying that despite the volume, its spread out over a relativly small number of people.

i wish one of them virus making morons would make something to target this ****, they can have the "fun" of ****ing **** up while doing something worthwhile.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Maverick
Voice of experiance here????

Ya know, I started to make a child pron joke about Vulcan's post. But I thought to myself, "that would be pretty sorry of me to do that".

I also read the story Sandy was talking about.

[Maverick]

Link? Now would the link make the same conclusion to day?

[lada]

Originally posted by Vulcan
I could probably find you a newsgroup with 2000+ kiddipron images posted in less than 48 hours pretty easily. I'm guessing a lot of its coming out of Eastern block countries these days.

muhehehe of course all those bad girls are from communist countries. There are not baaad littla girls in western world .. They are only decent people .. and costumers of those porn sites  

Actualy im working on something around child porn right now. Authorities are somehow teethless agains their own stupidity. Its kinda funny.

Anyway untill i were in "this bussines" i expected that Europian police are cooperating with bigger efficiency.

[lada]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
wow kinda scary if you think about it

Its easy to reconize whats point of this law. If they will enforce ISPs to comply with that law in less that one year, they are serious about it.

If they will give ISPs more that 2 years, its just "for preferences" law. Later on somebody will find that its BS and they will silently cancel it before it will be mandatory.


About technical problems...... As Vulcan mentioned there would be serious problems with storing sutch data. Problem is not in sniffing of 10Gb networks, you can easily sniff "closer to costumers" to avoid  that, but storing sutch data is simply impossible.


But there were much more interesting law, whitch has passed US senate  in the past.
That law allow police to put their own sniffer into ISPs network w/o order of court. Im not quite sure about this one, its a bit longer.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by lada
muhehehe of course all those bad girls are from communist countries. There are not baaad littla girls in western world .. They are only decent people .. and costumers of those porn sites  

Actualy im working on something around child porn right now. Authorities are somehow teethless agains their own stupidity. Its kinda funny.

Anyway untill i were in "this bussines" i expected that Europian police are cooperating with bigger efficiency.

Don't be a twit, you know that the kiddie pron is bad men exploiting little girls. There are eastern block countries where the police don't have the resources to deal with this problem. "in this business", umm yeah right...

[nirvana]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the same thing I said about the Patriot Act, which is what this sounds like to me.

Violation of the 1st amendement:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

As well as a violation of the 4th amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Perhaps the good this would do would also bring harm.  Someone searches "terrorist activities" and google and they are now being watched.  Heck I wouldn't be surprised if this is already going on.

[Maverick]

Nirvana you have made an incomplete statement with your post. It doesn't show why you think it's a violation of either of those ammendments.

[lada]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Don't be a twit, you know that the kiddie pron is bad men exploiting little girls. There are eastern block countries where the police don't have the resources to deal with this problem. "in this business", umm yeah right...

Ahh i see that you have no clue about east. Let me educate you a little bit.
Here is piece  of reality.

I will use slovakia as an example.
There is guy in slovakia, who organize making pictures. he is also the one, who pay money to girls or to parents. Many of child porn is made with "sold" children. Most of "nude pictures only". Once they will make pictures and video, they put it on CD and cross boarder to France. After 2 days there is new series of lolita Ginger on  one italian server, whitch is connected trough austrian ISP. There is probably only L2 from servers to ISP and its usualy in 2 diferent countries. Or they use some VPN gateway. Ok.. so now we have pictures on italian web site. Domain is own by subject whitch doesnt exist. It registred .com and organization is located  on non-existing address in Ney York. Lets buy an account. CC has been sent to paypal like company whitch have just referal number of client. This company will send you login information via email. Money has been taken buy Bank at Kayman islands.


Do you realy belive, that if you will remove that guy, whos searching for girls to buy, you will crush sutch organization ?

may be if you will cut his head  on public, you might demotivate some other. But you didnt stop bussines.
Its easier to find some children to buy and it doesnt matter if you buy then with or without parents permition, that find someone whos able organize sutch bussiness.

So now you know how it works in reality. Do you still think, that problem is in "poor, silly&lazy" eastern countries ?


Btw Vulcan how many eastern countries did you visit ? How many times did you cooperate with police from those countries ?

[Maverick]

Originally posted by lada
Ahh i see that you have no clue about east. Let me educate you a little bit.
Here is piece  of reality.

I will use slovakia as an example.
There is guy in slovakia, who organize making pictures. he is also the one, who pay money to girls or to parents. Many of child porn is made with "sold" children. Most of "nude pictures only". Once they will make pictures and video, they put it on CD and cross boarder to France. Do you realy belive, that if you will remove that guy, whos searching for girls to buy, you will crush sutch organization ?

may be if you will cut his head  on public, you might demotivate some other. But you didnt stop bussines.
Its easier to find some children to buy and it doesnt matter if you buy then with or without parents permition, that find someone whos able organize sutch bussiness.

So now you know how it works in reality. Do you still think, that problem is in "poor, silly&lazy" eastern countries ?


 

So you deny that an "Eastern" country is not to blame for the availability of child porn and use this example to demonstrate it?!?!?! You just made his point Lada. You just confirmed his assertion that the source was from an "Eastern" country and is procured in a very sleazy manner with parents SELLING their child.

I'll agree with you that cutting off the head of that one guy won't stop the entire process except. It will certainly eliminate him as a source.

Now if this process is actually a "known" system, why are the officials of this "Eastern" country not taking action? Just because by taking one action it won't just stop? Perhaps something should be done even if it is hard to do.

So again with your example you prove or at least give a confirmation to his "assertion" (inplied by you as he didn't state it) that a "poor, silly&lazy" eastern countries" has a hand in it.

This may be a language problem but I don't think so. It looks more like a poorly thought out rationaization of a global problem.

[lada]

I described one case on whitch i used to work one month ago.  From experience of police if they will crack down all but the one whos brain of this organization, they will stop it for 6-12 months.

If they will crack down whole organization, they will stop it for about 2 years.

Im not denying his statement, that there is child porn in europe. I deny his statement, that auth. do nothing. Every year we can hear, that police arested zillion of people in cooperation with interpol or police from other country from child porn bussines.

But if somebody think that eastern europe is paradise for child porn or its only here, then he probably never watch child porn, coz he have no clue  


Child porn is wide spread bussines as slavery. You can find it in almost every coutnry in Europe include UK.

May be i shall find some web with australian child porn for vulcan, then he might get a clue
edit: lol that was easy task... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3702706.stm

[Maverick]

So you say it IS a problem for Eastern Country then. You say you used to work on it. Why did you stop? If it IS such a problem there you should not have stopped working on it, now get back in there and get to work.

[lada]

Originally posted by Maverick
So you say it IS a problem for Eastern Country then. You say you used to work on it. Why did you stop? If it IS such a problem there you should not have stopped working on it, now get back in there and get to work.

Ok i will say it again and i will be plain this time.

Problem of child porn in east europe is as spear as in western europe, australia and rest of the world. ( i used to read somewhere, that 55% of porn servers are located in US, but i have no links right now)

I stoped because my task has been done. Im not policeman. I only provided some kind of services for them.  While they are collection evidence about all  people involved over here, they are cooperating (and its very sloooow cooperation) with colegues abroad.  But its looooong time project.

[Vulcan]

try and keep your story straight lada, and thanks for proving my point.