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Offline Raider179

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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2005, 12:48:06 PM »
I don't mind a tax on communications, as long as we all get broadband and wireless is freely available in major cities. Otherwise repeal. Anyone see why clinton axed it?

On Monday, Clinton vetoed a bill combining funding for the
Treasury Department with funding for the legislative
branch. Clinton had not yet vetoed a second combined
bill for the Commerce, Justice and State Departments as
well as the District of Columbia, but indicated he would
do so.

The Treasury bill includes the language to repeal the 3
percent excise tax. In his veto message, Clinton did not
criticize the plan to repeal the tax. Instead, he slammed
Congress for approving a Congressional pay raise before
acting on the President's priorities in the Education funding
bill.

http://www.csaaul.org/Bmj1101.PDF

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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2005, 12:49:26 PM »
Naw, we never talk dollars.  We talk hours and sorties.  We've been told by waaaaaay up there to fly a bit more than we want for our "ideal" training program, but there is jack-shxt we can do about it except gripe.
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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2005, 01:00:56 PM »
I imagine you guys are flying a bit more than you'd prefer. When I was in, '73-'80 it was the other way around, except in a very few squadrons.

My squadron was one of the exceptions. In that period, it wasn't unusual to get 100 hours a month and fairly regularly get 125, waivers as needed. IIRC, one December I got something like 138 out of Mildenhall. Wx had canceled a bunch of sorties in Nov and when we rotated over in Dec the Det. Commander asked us if we'd mind "catching up for NSA".  We had been scheduled to stay into January and after a quick huddle and and some computations we quickly figured out if we agreed to their schedule, we'd be out of flying time on the 21st and they'd have to send us home in time for Christmas.

We lived in that airplane for almost three weeks. Got home on the 23rd.  :)
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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2005, 01:03:32 PM »
The Joint Committee on Taxation put forward the option of  widening this very same tax to cover all communications services to end users as recently as January this year, listing the difficulty in distinguishing VoIP traffic from other non-voice data traffic as a possible justification. I think your IRS have also been sniffing around the issue as well.

Edit: Oops, I didn't fully read the OP before posting :o
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2005, 01:06:12 PM »
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The prof is one of the most leftist people I've ever met. Part of our class credit is participation. I'll score points.

Woot!


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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2005, 01:43:31 PM »
I smell BS.  The House website did not list an H.R. 1898 when I searched for it, and in any event, that convenient kind of bill numbering seems highly unlikely.

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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2005, 01:49:43 PM »
Oh, great DMF.

Next  you're going to tell us that the Cable TV tax that the Contintental Congress levied on the major cities in the 13 colonies to fund Washington's illegal war against the Brits didn't really happen either?

And that Washington's French Aide de Camp, Major Richarde de Sheney, didn't pass the field fortification construction contracts right to his fellow nobleman Mssr. Francois Halliburtonne with no competitive bidding?
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2005, 02:29:46 PM »
LOL

Well, there is evidence that Congress passed a telephone tax repeal bill during the 106th Congress (420-2 in the House and 97-3 in the Senate).  That seems like a pretty veto-proof margin to me unless Clinton employed a pocket veto at the end of the session.  I don't know enough about that to comment.

But if H.R. 1898 does exist, the House's bill database does not list it.

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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2005, 02:42:38 PM »
Here we go.  I finally managed to dig up the bill in question.  It is, in fact, H.R. 1898, but the bill seems to be trying to change something introduced into the 1986 tax code.  Perhaps the initial story took some liberties with the origins of the legislation.

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1898

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the excise tax on telephone and other communications services.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

April 27, 2005

Mr. GARY G. MILLER of California (for himself, Mr. FOSSELLA, Mr. SHIMKUS, Mr. PAUL, Mr. WILSON of South Carolina, Mr. BOEHNER, Mr. GILCHREST, Mr. CHABOT, Mr. DUNCAN, Mrs. BONO, Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. GOODE, Mr. BURTON of Indiana, Mr. MEEKS of New York, Mr. MILLER of Florida, Mr. SENSENBRENNER, Mr. MANZULLO, Mr. CAMP, Mr. CANNON, Mr. DEAL of Georgia, Mr. MACK, Mr. GREEN of Wisconsin, Mr. KUHL of New York, Mr. TERRY, Mrs. MUSGRAVE, Mr. CULBERSON, Ms. HART, Mr. MICHAUD, Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey, Mr. COSTELLO, Mr. HASTINGS of Washington, Mr. ROHRABACHER, Mr. SOUDER, Mr. FERGUSON, Mr. COX, Mr. ROGERS of Michigan, Mr. GOODLATTE, Mr. RADANOVICH, Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota, and Mr. ADERHOLT) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means

A BILL

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the excise tax on telephone and other communications services.

      Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

      This Act may be cited as the `Telephone Excise Tax Repeal Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. REPEAL OF EXCISE TAX ON TELEPHONE AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS SERVICES.

      (a) In General- Chapter 33 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to facilities and services) is amended by striking subchapter B.

      (b) Conforming Amendments-

            (1) Section 4293 of such Code is amended by striking `chapter 32 (other than the taxes imposed by sections 4064 and 4121) and subchapter B of chapter 33,' and inserting `and chapter 32 (other than the taxes imposed by sections 4064 and 4121),'.

            (2)(A) Paragraph (1) of section 6302(e) of such Code is amended by striking `section 4251 or'.

            (B) Paragraph (2) of section 6302(e) of such Code is amended--

                  (i) by striking `imposed by--' and all that follows through `with respect to' and inserting `imposed by section 4261 or 4271 with respect to', and

                  (ii) by striking `bills rendered or'.

            (C) The subsection heading for section 6302(e) of such Code is amended by striking `Communications Services and'.

            (3) Section 6415 of such Code is amended by striking `4251, 4261, or 4271' each place it appears and inserting `4261 or 4271'.

            (4) Paragraph (2) of section 7871(a) of such Code is amended by inserting `or' at the end of subparagraph (B), by striking subparagraph (C), and by redesignating subparagraph (D) as subparagraph (C).

            (5) The table of subchapters for chapter 33 of such Code is amended by striking the item relating to subchapter B.

      (c) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall apply to amounts paid pursuant to bills first rendered more than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.

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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2005, 04:00:15 PM »
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Who's the prof man? I'm dying to know.

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Judge Porter.
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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2005, 04:04:26 PM »
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Judge Porter.


I KNEW IT!!!!

Worst. Class. Ever.

Ok, not really, but man that guy drove me crazy and it had nothing to do with his political views (which seem to have been drifting to the left).

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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2005, 04:06:54 PM »
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Or there could have been something else attached to the bill that Clinton didn't like. Congress likes to slip you the big 'ol pork weenie that way.


This doesn't happen very often.

I agree with RPM.

There, I said it.  I hope everyone is happy now.
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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2005, 04:08:46 PM »
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I KNEW IT!!!!

Worst. Class. Ever.

Ok, not really, but man that guy drove me crazy and it had nothing to do with his political views (which seem to have been drifting to the left).

-Sik


So far, he's been entertaining. The guy is fearless though... room full of military and ex-military, and definitely as republican as they come, but he throws it out there.
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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2005, 04:18:11 PM »
Fearless?

The GI's have enough experience with "the system" to immediately recognize who holds the hammer.

Making the prof look like a fool is probably not the best GPA strategy is it?
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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2005, 05:18:29 PM »
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Making the prof look like a fool is probably not the best GPA strategy is it?


I still managed to get an "A" :p

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