Author Topic: I thought some of you might laugh at this... (Read 974 times)

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #15 on:** June 18, 2005, 02:02:10 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm
Wait just a dog gone minute. Liberals invented beer for the enjoyment and elightenment of mankind.

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The oldest proven records of brewing are about 6000 years old and refer to the Sumarians. Ancient Sumaria lay between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, encompassing Southern Mesopotamia. The Sumarians discovered the fermentation process by chance. Of course, nobody knows today, exactly how this occurred, but it could be that a piece of bread became wet and was simply forgotten. After a short time the bread began to ferment and a inebriating pulp resulted. The Sumarians were able to repeat this process and are assumed to be he first civilized culture to brew beer. They had discovered a "divine drink" which they offered to their gods.

Sounds like right wing religious extremists invented beer...

Leslie · « **Reply #16 on:** June 18, 2005, 02:37:32 AM »

There is some academic speculation the Aztec (or pre Aztec) civilization may go back as far as 20,000 years. They were working on beer the whole time, that is to say they had to develop corn (maize) from wild grass first. I betcha they were the first ones to make beer.

So, to address the beer part, yes, beer is important and I agree it plays a big part in history. Even will go so far as to say, making beer would be the primary impetus for improving corn from wild grass, though a timeline of 20k years is speculative. It does seem that after that period of time whiskey (or strong spirits) would have been developed in Central America next, utilizing advanced distilling processes.

If they'd a had that, who knows how history might have turned out when Cortez arrived. They mighta said the heck with the gold, where's the white lightning?

Les

rpm · « **Reply #17 on:** June 18, 2005, 05:02:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Leslie
If they'd a had that, who knows how history might have turned out when Cortez arrived. They mighta said the heck with the gold, where's the white lightning?

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin about!:aok

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #18 on:** June 18, 2005, 05:11:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Leslie
Even will go so far as to say, making beer would be the primary impetus for improving corn from wild grass, though a timeline of 20k years is speculative. It does seem that after that period of time whiskey (or strong spirits) would have been developed in Central America next, utilizing advanced distilling processes.

The Clovis culture is dated to 13,500 BC and is AFAIK the oldest archeological evidence of humans in the Americas, so 20,000 is stretching it. You can't make corn whiskey without Kentucky branch water so, not the Aztecs... maybe the Cherokee.

Leslie · « **Reply #19 on:** June 18, 2005, 08:00:57 AM »

I think I heard that on Discovery Channel or something like that. But it is interesting no doubt. Whisky is all rotgut, but Kentucky and Tennessee have pure spring water, and that's the main ingredient. None better anywhere.

Les

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 19, 2005, 02:01:05 AM »

edited for troll feeding

Arcades057 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 19, 2005, 02:05:10 AM »

If you weren't offended by my joke which wasn't directed at you, and I wasn't offended by your obvious insult which was clearly directed at me, then all is well.

Nash · « **Reply #22 on:** June 19, 2005, 02:07:31 AM »

As long as yer here Arcade, and playing, can you expand on this: "JB88: You are a very misguided soul and must have attended college, as that sort of ignorance can only come from higher education."

Curious.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #23 on:** June 19, 2005, 02:23:22 AM »

Nash, it does make sense on a certain level.

As you get more education, you tend to specialize. For instance in Grade school we learn skills fundamental to us all. Reading, basic arithmatic, things we use everyday.

Then in high school we start to learn things that are the beginnings of specialization. Future medical folks take biology. Geeks take computer classes. Some of us take calculus, other chemistry.

Then in college, some go pre-med, some engineering, you get the idea.

On the engineering track you learn amout thermodynamics, beam deflections, stress and strain, metal fatigue...

Once the BS degree, maybe you continue to MS or Phd. There you write a thesis on "Temperature Effects on Flexure on Aramid Honeycomb Core Materials"

Post doctorate study, you become the world's formost authority on some minute facet of sandwich structural material as it relates to the AAMRAM.

So, as you learn more you begin to know more and more about less and less until you know everything about nothing.

Nash · « **Reply #24 on:** June 19, 2005, 02:30:34 AM »

Yeah, there is that.

And there is the other 98% that just learns more about whatever.

When I'm looking at resumes, their particular path concerns me less than that they took the path.

Dedicated themselves, and were committed to bettering themselves.

That's what a degree means to me. Those that blow it off sound like every deadbeat I ever knew.

Arcades057 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 19, 2005, 02:45:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
As long as yer here Arcade, and playing, can you expand on this: "JB88: You are a very misguided soul and must have attended college, as that sort of ignorance can only come from higher education."

Curious.

When someone can make a good argument (not that JB88 did) for something that is patently untrue it is clear they are intelligent and misguided--the majority of misguided intelligent folk come from college,after picking up their professors' viewpoints, hence the comments.

Have I gone to college? No, the family is kind of hurting for money, as am I, so it can wait for a bit. Do I hold higher education against people? LoL, no. It just makes me worried that some of these fools that I know in the real world, those who use the Bush = Hitler argument, are the future leaders of this country.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #26 on:** June 19, 2005, 02:48:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Arcades057
Have I gone to college? No, the family is kind of hurting for money, as am I, so it can wait for a bit.

So... after waiting a bit, ..... you intend to become ignorant?

Nash · « **Reply #27 on:** June 19, 2005, 02:49:22 AM »

Good on ya.

When yer out of attacks on education, there is always the media and the courts. Have at er.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 19, 2005, 03:03:22 AM »

After further deliberation, I decided I never should have fed this troll to start with. Fell back into the old mode too easy. Apologies. I've taken my responses out. You folks enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Maverick · « **Reply #29 on:** June 19, 2005, 10:42:31 AM »

Arcades,

There does exist the type of creature you are referring to. I have heard it called the "educated idiot". That is the poor critter that receives an education based on a narrow focus and absorbing facts while totally ignoring the lessons on how to examine and analyze what they are "learning" and how it applies to life or living.

FWIW Nash has it right. The person who is out to improve themselves learns that no matter how much they learn, it teaches them how much they don't know. The learning never ceases for those who stretch their minds instead of those merely taking up seat space in a classroom and passing exams.