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« Reply #105 on: June 25, 2005, 02:53:08 PM »
Oops, you are right.  Oh well, we need to get that changed anyways.  Appointed for life is just wrong.

Ahh,..forget it.  I get too riled up about injustices.  We the people,...our fore-fathers would be ashamed, I should think.
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« Reply #106 on: June 25, 2005, 03:01:17 PM »
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Oops, you are right.  Oh well, we need to get that changed anyways.  Appointed for life is just wrong.

Ahh,..forget it.  I get too riled up about injustices.  We the people,...our fore-fathers would be ashamed, I should think.



sure is, luckily they just "interpret" the law, you can still have this peice of garbage altered...


you arnt the only one, i have to leave the room when those law and order type shows come on...and not because i hate that type of show either...

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« Reply #107 on: June 25, 2005, 03:55:21 PM »
Thank you Seagoon, that Scalia link was an interesting read.   I especially agreed with his assessment of how wrongfully judges are being nominated nowadays - not on their merit as honest, good, and reasonable lawyers, but on their positions on key issues.   The partisan strife this leads to is evident with the recent filibustering controversy.

I think I differ with you in that I don't see this as a decision that benefits the "Common Good".   I tend to agree with Justice O'Connor's assessment that it will instead ultimately benefit the well-heeled.   I think "common good' is being used as a charade in this case.

It is interesting for me to note that on this BB where there can be such a wide disparity in opinion, no one is looking at this SC decision favorably.   Its seems each of us is either outraged or at least very concerned about the implications.

I'm interested in the Natural Laws you speak of.  Can you spell them out here?

Can anyone give any context as to what the Founding Fathers could've been thinking of when then drafted the 5th Amendment (one cannot be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation)?   What abuse lead to this amendment?   Surely they couldn't have imagined taking people's homes to build shopping malls and professional sports arenas.    Were they really thinking more along the lines of the Navy impressing private merchant ships to service in time of War, or the taking of someone's livestock to feed troops or something?

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« Reply #108 on: June 25, 2005, 04:08:51 PM »
Subtopic:


Scenerio:  Lets say one of these home owners decided to arm himself and board up his home in a defensive fasion.

Could u as a local law enforcement type remove the home owner by force if he refused?


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That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
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« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2005, 04:39:40 PM »
It's a time to "Free America"....

Said this for 8 years now.

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« Reply #110 on: June 25, 2005, 04:51:51 PM »
Remember .. you own nothing ... the US goverment OWNS EVERYTHING .... you merely rent it ....

Property tax.....


Do they really need to get you there after income tax, sales tax etc etc etc....?

least they could do is sunset it for retired persons over 65.
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If you've ever been to Burlington .... in the 70's urban renewal here took many homes of many peoples.... mostly Italians.... this land now has a  Wyndham Hotel on it ....

This is nothing new.  Just more laws heading in the wrong direction.
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« Reply #111 on: June 25, 2005, 05:12:33 PM »
Every Morning when you awake, look in the mirror, straight into your eyes and say "I am an American, I can make a difference."..

Then tell yourself "Yes I believe in Taxation without representation"

I believe in the "Separation between Church and State."

I believe "All men are created equal."

If you don't have a sick feeling in your guts then roll aside.

The Preamble... remember this?... Begins with
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquillity, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 


Read each word...

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« Reply #112 on: June 25, 2005, 05:42:22 PM »
If you are not throwing up now, hurling your guts out, then maqybe you're feeling okay in America.

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« Reply #113 on: June 25, 2005, 05:56:57 PM »
Just my $0.02...Kerry's "I have a Plan"... Bush "Mission Accomplished"

Wake up America... are we to forever bow to a two tard party line?  When will we get America back?

Will we ever be as Free as we tend to show the rest of the World?  

Tell me how many are homless in America?

Tell me how many Children go to sleep hungry at night in America?

It's time we take care of OUR own house before others overseas...

Look and see what America has done, where we've been, how much the rest of the World depends on us.... Have they all cared about starving children in West Virginia?  Our EarthQuakes in California?  Farmers in the Mid West with dieing crops?

It's time to do something, stand up, make your voice heard...or roll over and die like the rest of the sheep.

Free America!!!


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« Reply #114 on: June 25, 2005, 09:33:02 PM »
Skuzzy, I'm sure the ambulance chasers errrrrr Attorneys had the Eminant Domain Papers already prepared for filing in Tarrant County Courthouse but were waiting on the court's decision. In Texas appraisal price of the land is a factor but not all of the financial decision on Eminant Domain. The Judge picks 3 freeholders (3 impartial property owners in that county) to a board and they listen to all arguements for and against including 2 or 3 appraisals on the fair market value of the property before making a decision and recomending that decision to the judge. If you want to place blame in this case blame the State Legislature they're the ones who have the power to declare Sport's Authoritys and give them the power of Eminant Domain.

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« Reply #115 on: June 26, 2005, 04:36:13 AM »
Guys,

what is your take on a government (federal) that expropriates land and 30-35 years later sells it a huge profit over what they paid for it in the first place? The expropriation was to stop urban spral but are now selling it to developers. :eek:

I should mention that the farmer was renting back, what was family land for several generations, from the government. If the government had not 'stole' the land from the farmer, he would be still farming or getting all that money if he sold.

It is not just in the USofA that the government craps on the 'little people'.

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« Reply #116 on: June 26, 2005, 07:36:12 AM »
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Guys,

what is your take on a government (federal) that expropriates land and 30-35 years later sells it a huge profit over what they paid for it in the first place? The expropriation was to stop urban spral but are now selling it to developers. :eek:

I should mention that the farmer was renting back, what was family land for several generations, from the government. If the government had not 'stole' the land from the farmer, he would be still farming or getting all that money if he sold.

It is not just in the USofA that the government craps on the 'little people'.


Its a bad deal.  
 
The USA was specifically designed from the ground up as a country where it would be difficult for the government to crap on the little people.   I think that is why everyone is so mad here.

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« Reply #117 on: June 26, 2005, 09:51:03 AM »
If they keep doing this stuff they had better take our guns away!

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« Reply #118 on: June 27, 2005, 10:47:08 AM »
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Bubba factor:  Laws are laws, but in Texas, the judges will often override the law (federal, state, local,..it does not matter)in favor of something else.  For instance, Texas is a community property state (50/50).  But in a divorce those laws get tossed out of the window and the judges rule any which way they feel like.
Lawyers will seldom seek to get a judgement overridden (i.e. taking it to a higher court) as the lawyer will find himself/herself not able to win anymore cases, regardless of who the judge is.


If that's true it would put your judical system in same class with those in 3:rd world banana republics.

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« Reply #119 on: June 27, 2005, 11:06:08 AM »
Staga, I'm pretty sure that Skuzzy wasn't exactly praising the situation.  I'm no mindreader, but there seemed to be a certain 'vibe' that his description was slightly less then complimentary and it is possible that he has some reservations as to the righteousness of the situation.
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