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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2005, 08:32:24 AM »
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The initial committment is pretty short anyhow, and the murder/rape/death percentages in the military are on average comparable to life in state colleges, so...  What's the problem?


...and after two years they might give you a call and tell you're being sent to one of the most dangerous places on earth, to "defend" your country.

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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2005, 08:44:14 AM »
Interesting comments here, I am somewhat biased however. I have a buddy in recruiting command who is fond of saying "Its not an all volunteer Army, its an all recruited Army".

Recruiting Command is NOT going to meet its numbers this year. Its no big secret, its just not going to happen. What that translates to in simplest terms is a Cav Bradley is short one Scout Observer, an Infantry Squad is short a member, and a Forward Air Refueling Point has one less guy to pull the hose to refuel that Apache that is desperatly needed for Close Air Support. This whole thing isn't some vague inconveinence, its a real problem, for us in Green at any rate.

Personally I feel great guilt when I look at my retirement orders. The clock ticks and I grow closer to that day which all soldiers must face.  But everynight I see these stories and I feel like I am leaving my boys to fend for themselves in a bit of hell, with a country that doesn't want to be bothered with it.

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« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2005, 09:19:31 AM »
What's your point Fishu?

Seriously, most people wearing the uniform take deployments and combat as their duty, and they're proud to serve.

If you have a problem with what the military is doing, take it up with your congressional representatives.

As for "one of the most dangerous places on earth", IIRC they're suffering around 500 deaths per year in Iraq.  That makes it barely more dangerous than stateside duty where in the "100 critical days of summer" alone, we used to come close to that amount every year in off-duty accidents.  And that says nothing about the chances of getting in a vehicle accident in the states.

The people who join the US military have realized that there are more important things than one's own immediate safety, and some things are worth taking risks for.  Iraq duty will come and go, the war on terrorism will eventually fade, but the service to the nation every military member provides will always be needed.  Reactionary statements (that aren't even true) about military members getting forced to go to "the most dangerous place in the world" are quite frankly mindless dribble, spouted off by selfish people who have no loyalty to anything but themselves and who lack the ability to see any form of "the big picture".  History always applauds those who choose to serve their nation as military members, and it is good to remember those who joined up in wars such as the American Civil War, where 500 deaths in an hour often meant a sweeping victory.

Most dangerous places on earth... What a farce.  What a joke.  What a total lack of any kind of perspective.  What a totally selfish and ignorant thing to say.  It's not true now, and from a historical perspective Iraq duty isn't any more hazardous than garrison duty in any other war the world has ever seen.
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« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2005, 09:32:54 AM »
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wow.

Is this a true to fact  happening as reported by the article?

Kids are put on a "recruitment list"?

I'm sorry, but to me this is just a bit  over the top. This shouldn't be happening (if it is happening).

Don't get me wrong, I am retired military and I personaly think that those who choose the military should be given the utmost respect and support. However,........do I, or my son want him in Afghanistan (SP?), no.

I already have a nephew doing his third tour there, and I worry about him all the time.

Let the Kids make thier own choices without thier government coercement.

Draconian.

RTR

I have no problem with my kid's name being on a "recruitment" list. What's the big deal? What, exactly, is being violated here anyway? Hell, my son (18 y.o.) gets all sorts of junk mail because his name's on all sorts of lists out "there". Why shouldn't my government be allowed to at least approach my son? I've seen no evidence of coersion on their part, and my son doesn't feel threatened in any way.  Only a few flyers. Seems to me the Pentagon is simply taking a page from corporate America's handbook on how to get their name before the public.

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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2005, 10:11:43 AM »
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Most dangerous places on earth... What a farce.  What a joke.  


Guess how high Baghdad was ranked among most dangerous cities?
It's amazing if a war zone, which I still class Iraq into, isn't one of the most dangerous places on earth.
Besides the usual accidents, theres purposefully inflicted accidents every day. Including top notch Hollywood effects in certain "car crashes".

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« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2005, 10:15:27 AM »
Finrod,

Are you actually an E-9? Great avatar.

FWIW, there were folks leaving the service when you and I both came in. There will be more to take up the guidon when you have taken off the uniform for the last time. It's the order of things but you're right it's a poignent "moment" when it's your turn.

The duty is done and it is time to make room for the next soldier to take up the job. You've trained them well and prepared the next guy to do the job just as you were trained to take his place. That is a point of pride yet it's a tough thing to let others carry the load that you have shouldered. Somehow you feel like you are letting them down, but it's more a case of letting them know that you have attained the time to retire and that their turn will come as well.

There is life after retirement, it just may take a little bit to recognize it.

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« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2005, 10:26:27 AM »
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Guess how high Baghdad was ranked among most dangerous cities?
It's amazing if a war zone, which I still class Iraq into, isn't one of the most dangerous places on earth.
Besides the usual accidents, theres purposefully inflicted accidents every day. Including top notch Hollywood effects in certain "car crashes".


well how do you explain the statistical FACT that we almost lose as many troops due to non-combat related deaths to include off duty accidents than we do in a war zone?

Statistically you have a greater chance of getting killed on a US highway or in a plane crash than you do as a US servicmen serving in a war zone.

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« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2005, 10:36:03 AM »
Then I can only wonder why nobody wants to move to Iraq, because theres great wages on certain rebuilding projects.
Or at least be in the army over there.

Oh..  whats classified as a war zone?
Sounds like the statistics aren't made with only Iraq in mind, while the subject right now seems to be how dangerous it is to be in Iraq.
If a combat zone is something like Kosovo, Afganistan...  then I don't have to doubt the statistics at all.

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« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2005, 10:41:09 AM »
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Then I can only wonder why nobody wants to move to Iraq, because theres great wages on certain rebuilding projects.
Or at least be in the army over there.

Oh..  whats classified as a war zone?
Sounds like the statistics aren't made with only Iraq in mind, while the subject right now seems to be how dangerous it is to be in Iraq.
If a combat zone is something like Kosovo, Afganistan...  then I don't have to doubt the statistics at all.


no, now you are drifting here we are talking about US recruiters....US servicemen.  Not iraqis and not contractors.

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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2005, 10:45:34 AM »
Go for it fishu. Certainly no one here is going to stand in your way.
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« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2005, 11:01:43 AM »
I've been getting MarineCorp and Army stuff in the mail...

I've always thought of requesting more info just for the duffel bag, or the sunglasses, or hat..
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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2005, 11:37:51 AM »
Hawklore,

Clue here. If all you want is some "stuff". Go to the nearest surplus store. Don't tease the nice Recruiters, it's not nice. :p ;)
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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2005, 11:51:20 AM »
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Hawklore,

Clue here. If all you want is some "stuff". Go to the nearest surplus store. Don't tease the nice Recruiters, it's not nice. :p ;)
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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2005, 02:44:26 PM »
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Finrod,

Are you actually an E-9? Great avatar.

FWIW, there were folks leaving the service when you and I both came in. There will be more to take up the guidon when you have taken off the uniform for the last time. It's the order of things but you're right it's a poignent "moment" when it's your turn.

The duty is done and it is time to make room for the next soldier to take up the job. You've trained them well and prepared the next guy to do the job just as you were trained to take his place. That is a point of pride yet it's a tough thing to let others carry the load that you have shouldered. Somehow you feel like you are letting them down, but it's more a case of letting them know that you have attained the time to retire and that their turn will come as well.

There is life after retirement, it just may take a little bit to recognize it.



Yes Mav, at least till the 27th of Sept I am. Good words, and I really appreciate them. You been taking notes from my wife. :lol

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« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2005, 03:00:43 PM »
You protect your liberty and yourself from government intrusion into you life by protecting the other guy's.  

That idea can be applied to so many topics here in the O'Club.

Those of you that don't mind the government having what should be obstensibly private infomation on you child are free to give them that information, but you should be will to fight for the guy that doesn't want the government to have this information.

It's one of those, "I don't necessarily agree with what you say but I will fight for your right to say it.", people vs government things.