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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2005, 06:50:57 PM »
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Maybe the N, will play the substitude role of the M in TOD-ETO?

Possible, but it isn't a very good match for it in climb/acceleration.
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2005, 09:02:32 PM »
P47M is essentially a monster engine (R2800-57) and the N type fuselage mated to a 47D wing.

 The N has the same monster engine (later versions had the R2800-77), the N fuselage but a vastly wing.

 All the figures for the N and M are done with full fuel and ammo. That means the N has the wings full of fuel.  If you take the fuel out of the "wet" wings it will be a LOT lighter and should perform closer to that of the M model.   And the N with the clipped wing tips would roll even better.
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2005, 11:38:39 PM »
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Maybe the N, will play the substitude role of the M in TOD-ETO?


Even an M wouldn't be all that useful...

A C or an Earlier D would have been perfect for an WETO ToD. But so would an FW 190A-3.

Except for the P-38s (which I thought were a great addition for AH even though I would have never of flown one) none of the newer planes since AH2 was released has added anything really useful for ToD.

For the WETO AH has the same tired old match ups that make events and the CT poor.

What you will end up with is the same planes fighting each over a different map. Substitution roulette never quite pulls it off, at least not in events or the CT. If ToD is still planned as some sort of rps or to contain some rps flavor then (at least imho) the wholes in the plane set really take away from that.

You may not want to talk about Spits in this particular thread but as Karnak points out the Spitfire fans are stuck with '42 Spit to cover must of the late war. The P-47N just adds another very late war US plane. It may play well for you guys in the main but I just can't get into the land grab capture flag crap any more. It's too boring.

The thing of it is an earlier Jug would have fit right for ToD...

Either ToD is farther off then we think or out side of the 'code' ToD will be no better then the CT.

Most of the box games have the same type of 'ToD code' (rps, scoring ranking etc...) and have most the planes that make an 'rps' viable.

Anyway enjoy your new plane when you get it. Any 'new plane' is better then nothing...

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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2005, 01:09:31 AM »
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Possible, but it isn't a very good match for it in climb/acceleration.


People keep forgetting the published weight and climb figures are for the P-47N with full fuel.  And this thing carried a crap load of fuel--remember, it outdistances a P-51 in range and its a jug for chrissake.  Try and think of how it will perform in MA loadout with 50 or 25% fuel.  I'm not expecting 109G10 performance, but it's going to be significantly better than what we have now.  Look at the P-47M numbers to get an idea.

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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2005, 02:12:08 AM »
Wotan,

 The more things change the more they stay the same....


...........

 Cold be someone just liked the darn thing and they added it just because they wanted to. Or some allied fanboy one the lottery and sent HTC a big check:)

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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2005, 10:30:17 AM »
Who knows?

 Maybe we'll still get a very early D or C Jug with the P-47N :)

 Let's try to look on the bright side of things, guys :)

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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2005, 12:22:44 PM »
I agree and I disagree with Wotan...

Be nice to have P-47C instead P-47N (It could wait little longer), but again i think it perfect for "What If" for Combat Theater or other special event.
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2005, 01:33:46 PM »
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P47 pilots need a "top of the line" jug not perked, like Fws have D9s, LA got La7s, 109s got K4 (G10).:D But then the MA will be swamped with P47Ns HO clone freaks, like every other FW is a D9.:(

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tell me truthfully, have you ever taken a 47 into a dogfight and won????? im not talking about B n' Z, im talking about dogfight. the noobs will hate it. i hope that it isnt perked. its essentially a high alt plane anyway, and its so bloody heavy that noone will use it accept the more experienced pilots, with extensive knowledge of energy tactics. take a 47D 40 up in the ma, and try fight in it, then take that outcome and think about doing it in a plane that weighs 33% more, with fuel in the wings aswell???

n will be great plane, and will definitely have a low ENY, but i think thats all it should have. i reckon 47 usage will only be slightly above what it is now

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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2005, 01:56:51 PM »
Thats right, the Jug is a TERRIBLE plane and there is no need for anyone to even try flying the new N model.....  ;)   Especially YUCCA.
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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2005, 02:10:41 PM »
I think all remodled P-47s speed will be affected when it is loaded with heavy air to ground weapons.

I also think P-47N is with the same class as the Ta-152 in performance

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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2005, 04:13:18 PM »
OK, all you fellows complaining about "why did HTC add a P47N!"

It will be good for the MA - where most players are and more importantly it was an easy add. I mean jeez...they were already re-doing the the damn jug line (and 51, so we might still get an A36 or sumpthin') and you just tweak the art and flight model and badda-bing!

They likely will add new variants with every model makeover from here on out. thats what the new version of AH does for them, it makes that easy. Holy schnitt they already workin on TOD and people *****in about the amazing fact that they add anything (good grief)

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2005, 05:27:33 PM »
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tell me truthfully, have you ever taken a 47 into a dogfight and won????? im not talking about B n' Z, im talking about dogfight.


Many times.




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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2005, 06:25:16 PM »
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I agree and I disagree with Wotan...

Be nice to have P-47C instead P-47N (It could wait little longer), but again i think it perfect for "What If" for Combat Theater or other special event.


The 'what if's' ain't gonna cut it in ToD.

One reason the CT and some of the events don't draw a lot of folks is because its always the same handful of planes but on different map (sometimes same planes, same map just called something different). The 'what ifs' are subjective and vary with the bias of the CM.

I designed, CO'd and participated in many events in AH, I was a CT CM for a time. Most of the 'what ifs' aren't put together because they 'may be interesting'. They are put together because you either go with 'what if' or you do nothing.

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OK, all you fellows complaining about "why did HTC add a P47N!"

It will be good for the MA - where most players are and more importantly it was an easy add. I mean jeez...they were already re-doing the the damn jug line (and 51, so we might still get an A36 or sumpthin') and you just tweak the art and flight model and badda-bing!


First who is complaining?

I could careless what plane HT adds or doesn't add to the game. From a practical stand point the P-47N will be as insignificant in the main as any of the other P-47s.

They 'could have just tweaked the art and FM' and come up with a C or earlier D which is needed.

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They likely will add new variants with every model makeover from here on out. thats what the new version of AH does for them, it makes that easy. Holy schnitt they already workin on TOD and people *****in about the amazing fact that they add anything (good grief)


It's taken 4+ years to get the planes you have now in AH.  The 'they will just add another variant later' isn't how it has worked yet. Given the amount of wholes in the plane set  and the amount of work left to get the rest of the aircraft up to AH2 standards it will be a while before the Jugs are revisited.

ToD has been talked about for 2+ years. The plane set and the wholes in it will go a long way in determining how successful it will be.

The P-47N is just another late war US plane. Even in a PAC setup for ToD it isn't needed. All late US planes are already faster then any Japanese plane. Even its extended range isn't even that important because I doubt the missions in ToD will require a full fuel load. Folks in this thread are already talking 25% fuel and a dt etc...

The main in AH is already as good as it will ever get. Another late war US plane hardly adds much to the game.

It maybe a plane you like but be honest, beyond that it doesn't add much to the game, main/ToD/CT/events or otherwise.

As I said ToD is either further away then we think or there's no real plan outside some code tinkering to bring it off.

If ToD is expected to compete for players then substitution roulette won't cut it...

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Anyway enjoy your new plane when you get it. Any 'new plane' is better then nothing...


If the P-47N is the plane you like then have fun with it. Lets not pretend there is much more to it then that.

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tell me truthfully, have you ever taken a 47 into a dogfight and won?????


There were at one time a lot of P-47 guys in AH who would / could mix it up and win. Some of the most fun I have had in AH was against well flown jugs. It had little to do with the plane itself. Frenchy and Nomde ect... kicked serious arse.

I am sure they will do it even better in the N.

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« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2005, 06:29:59 PM »
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tell me truthfully, have you ever taken a 47 into a dogfight and won?????


yes...and i dont even fly it that often...guys from the 56th who fly it regulary sure can...i know yucca has handed me my arse once or twice.
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