Author Topic: Political explosion in t-5,4,3,2.... (Read 8187 times)

Chairboy · « **on:** July 02, 2005, 12:16:28 PM »

News flash: Karl Rove leaked Plame's name to the press. If true, this means that the Bush administration outed a CIA operative out of political retribution. Not only that, but also directly lied about Rove's involvement (they said it wasn't him).

This could be... bad.

Initial stories
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972839
http://news.baou.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=20318
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972841

Tracking Link for Google News
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=rove+plame

Toad · « **Reply #1 on:** July 02, 2005, 12:19:26 PM »

If he's guilty, he's guilty. I sure don't think he's "special" because he's Karl Rove.

It's a good thing for other pols to see guilty abusers of the public trust go to jail.

He'll get his "due process" I'm sure.

oboe · « **Reply #2 on:** July 02, 2005, 01:18:08 PM »

I just finished John Dean's "Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W Bush" and Dean predicted a scandal like this to break, even mentioning this case specifically. due the the excessive secrecy and arrogance of the Bush administration.

Not surprisingly, he drew a lot of parallels between GW and Nixon in their almost paranoid need to control information.

btw, outing a CIA operative is a far more serious crime than the bungled break-in and coverup at the Watergate Hotel. This woman's career was destroyed and her life was endangered.

Isn't Rove the one who just recently called all liberals, "traitors"?
And he blows a CIA agent's cover as an act of retribution against someone who disagreed with the President's position on the Iraq invasion? My gawd the mind boggles at the hypocrisy.

Nash · « **Reply #3 on:** July 02, 2005, 02:11:27 PM »

Finally.

Toad · « **Reply #4 on:** July 02, 2005, 02:42:41 PM »

Nash, did you see the FBI dropped by Cunningham's house and that corporations offices?

Looks like the mills continue to grind slowly.

oboe · « **Reply #5 on:** July 02, 2005, 02:44:20 PM »

Is outing a CIA operative a crime of treason? Seems like it should be. Its definitely a crime against the State, but I'm not sure all crimes in that legal category are actually Treason. If it is, I'm just curious, what is the punishment for Treason?

If this turns out to be true, I expect we'll get to see just how far above the Law the Bush administration believes they are in the coming months.

Bodhi · « **Reply #6 on:** July 02, 2005, 02:48:04 PM »

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. If Rove is the one responsible, hang his arse out to dry. This type of crap has no place and is highly despicable.

Nash · « **Reply #7 on:** July 02, 2005, 02:55:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Nash, did you see the FBI dropped by Cunningham's house and that corporations offices?

Looks like the mills continue to grind slowly.

If by "dropped by" you mean 20 agents smashing the locks and bustin' into the joints, yeah.

Nash · « **Reply #8 on:** July 02, 2005, 02:57:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
It will be interesting to see how this pans out. If Rove is the one responsible, hang his arse out to dry. This type of crap has no place and is highly despicable.

When it comes to this stuff, the cover-up is always always always worse than the crime. Think Bush didn't know? I don't think it's going to end at Rove.

Toad · « **Reply #9 on:** July 02, 2005, 02:58:09 PM »

Ames got life in prison for betraying over 100 CIA operatives to the KGB; 10 of those were killed.

Nash · « **Reply #10 on:** July 02, 2005, 03:01:23 PM »

If I'm not mistaken, I think the penalty in this case is up to 10 years in jail, and a $50,000 fine.... or something like that.

Nash · « **Reply #11 on:** July 02, 2005, 03:05:24 PM »

Btw... While the investigation is makin' grounds by moving upwards, I'd be interested to see it start moving outwards as well. Who was responsible for the forged documents in the first place?

Thrawn · « **Reply #12 on:** July 02, 2005, 03:38:37 PM »

I am shocked....shocked.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 02, 2005, 03:53:08 PM »

Is that document enough to convict him? Enough to get him to plea bargain and rat people out? Or enough to get people to walk into a perjury ambush like Bubba did?

Nash · « **Reply #14 on:** July 02, 2005, 04:02:41 PM »

Good question - I don't know.

Basically, the forged documents drew a direct connection between Iraq and WMD.

Is there any illegality in the Bush admin crafting forged documents, getting them into an Italian agent's hands who then tried to sell them to a journalist who then brought them to the US embassy in Rome? I kind of doubt it.

But when the documents were discredited, the CIA wife of the person who busted it is then sold out by (allegedly) Rove.

I don't know, Funked.