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Offline Tails

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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2005, 09:03:45 PM »
Just idle curiousity here, but if you had to guesstimate an octane rating for german aviation gasolines for the time...

Because the way it sounds, they must of been running insane compression ratio's on what were NOT diesel engines, so the octane numbers would of had to been similarly high.
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2005, 09:18:54 PM »
The Germans improved their fuels during the course of the war dramatically.  

Using a process they developed in the 1920`s called hydroforming, C3 was the equivalent of allied 150 Octane by late 1943.



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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2005, 12:24:48 AM »
Very informative, thanks Crumpp.

In Britain, there was a terrible problem for a time with the fuel. They used TEL as an octane booster, and it was mixed on site.
Evidently it was not mixed until homogenous. The TEL came out of the fuel in the intake and intercoolers on the P-38's, and they'd detonate badly. The TEL would then get into the engine in high concentrations and foul the plugs.

With the P-51, they said you never knew if it was rough because it fouled a plug or because it detonated and cracked a head. You only found out when it was too late if the head was cracked. Once the coolant leak got bad and the temperature went up, the Merlin would sieze in about a minute, no matter what.

Doolittle worked for Shell during peacetime, and he got Shell to solve the fuel problems in early 1944.
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2005, 02:52:17 AM »
TEL was used as well in German fuels, C3 having the same quantity of TEL as the allied 115/145.

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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2005, 04:03:43 AM »
Increased lead and its effects.











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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2005, 04:31:55 AM »
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Originally posted by Crumpp




The Allies did not even know what the Germans were using for antiknock additives.  



The Germans used the alkane ratio of their fuel as their main antiknock additive, specifically they adjusted the ratio of butane / propane from 25 : 75 to 50 : 50.

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Crumpp, that is very hard to read for me. Can you post it slightly bigger? Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2005, 07:23:30 AM »
Interesting stuff, thanks guys!

hogenbor I will repost it soon for you.

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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2005, 08:38:10 AM »
Here you go!




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