Taking Sides

[Sloehand]

Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Let me get this straight, you mad because the nits have 17 more player than you and the rooks have 30 more? Try playing when it 65/210/195!:rolleyes:

You have just stated for the whole community to see why this situation is the way it is. Because you leave and don't play! So many Bish are doing this exact same thing. Not only that but they are switching sides to the higher numbers.

Don't think you have come up with any idea that has not been suggested numberous times before. All of them have been discounted for good reasons by people who know far more about this game than you (or I) do.

In response to your three comments Clifra (and with all due respect)
1. Consider the the percentage the numbers represent (which is why I presented them the way I did, figuring you all could use a calculator if needs be), don't try to skew my context or meaning by using just the delta numbers.  Good debate form, bad fairness quotient.
2. Wrong and you know it.  People move whole squads to different countries causing overbalance.  Some people work at certain times while others don't.  Squads have different squad nites.  All of these things cause the imbalance (among others) and its only when it gets out of hand (repetitively) do people actually start to leave (yes, thereby making it even worse, but what are they supposed to do?  Stick around like baby seals just so you can get your kill score up?  [No, flippant response please, show some integrity and intellegence.]
3. Suggested, but not always tested.  And, you know, we might all find a solution that hasn't been thought of or tried if we first admit, in all fairness, that overall the current situation is as healthy as it could/should be.  Perfection we will never have, but what we do have right now (and have apparently had for quite awhile) is a disrupting problem that needs a solution.

[Elyeh]

I have to agree. Everywhere you go its you ,your wingman and someone else against 10.

You fight your damnest, wind up losing the base, so you go some other flashing base so you can help defend it.

Yopu get there and its either already capped, or one or two guys trying to hold off another horde.

No matter where you go as a bish lately its automatic go on the defense:(

[Urchin]

So... fly an La-7.  Wait.... you probably already are.  Seriously though, I've never understood why people get so upset when they don't have the numbers.  

Look at it as a target rich environment.  And there are some people (granted, less than 5% or so) that will actually switch sides to fly for the outnumbered team because it is easier to find kills.

Take heart, this too shall pass.

[Elyeh]

No I fly a Spit IX......
as far as target rich...... I wouldnt call it that. When you get bounced by 5 to 1 odds its not what I call target rich. (Unless your some kind of super ace lol)

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by Sloehand
In response to your three comments Clifra (and with all due respect)
1. Consider the the percentage the numbers represent (which is why I presented them the way I did, figuring you all could use a calculator if needs be), don't try to skew my context or meaning by using just the delta numbers.  Good debate form, bad fairness quotient.

Sorry but % don't always work out the same. It is far easier to defend against a numerical superiority of 50 people than 200. It just IS! I myself would love to fly with those numbers. I only get to fly when the numbers are in the 100s. Stay up late and fly prime time US eastern and then talk to me about numbers.

2. Wrong and you know it.  People move whole squads to different countries causing overbalance.  Some people work at certain times while others don't.  Squads have different squad nites.  All of these things cause the imbalance (among others) and its only when it gets out of hand (repetitively) do people actually start to leave (yes, thereby making it even worse, but what are they supposed to do?  Stick around like baby seals just so you can get your kill score up?  [No, flippant response please, show some integrity and intellegence.]

I wasn't talking about "people" I was talking about YOU. You said you logged out. Therefor you lowered your side by 1. Multiply that by how many do the same and it contributes to the imbalance. As far as the Baby Seal comment, (no this isn't flippant) it is up to you to watch your 6 and not get into those "ganged" situations. Don't fly into the hoard(96 enemies what a hoard  ), stay on the edges, use good SA, Grab a wingman! If getting killed in a virtual game bothers you that much then by all means log off!

I have no problem with folks switching side with the aim of balancing the #s but I see a lot of player doing just the opposite. As far as squads changing side there are numerous reasons a squad changes sides and not all of them have to do with numbers. I don't pre-judge a squads decision to switch countries as I am not privy to thier discussions.

3. Suggested, but not always tested.  And, you know, we might all find a solution that hasn't been thought of or tried if we first admit, in all fairness, that overall the current situation is as healthy as it could/should be.  Perfection we will never have, but what we do have right now (and have apparently had for quite
awhile) is a disrupting problem that needs a solution.

Do some research, search these boards for your "suggestions" and I will bet you will find them here numerous times. imbalance is just going to happen. There is very little HTC can do about it. When they do try something, i.e. ENY limiter it raises just as many complaints as the situation they are trying to correct. Look up posts here regarding ENY  and you will find them. You will also find good explinations by HiTech regarding his philosophy on this subject.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by Urchin

Look at it as a target rich environment.  And there are some people (granted, less than 5% or so) that will actually switch sides to fly for the outnumbered team because it is easier to find kills.

Probably the primary reason I switched from Rook to Bish after the 1st  weeks in the game. At that time Rooks had numbers and it was hard to find a fight that wasn't 6-7 on 2.

[Sloehand]

Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Sorry but % don't always work out the same. It is far easier to defend against a numerical superiority of 50 people than 200. It just IS! I myself would love to fly with those numbers. I only get to fly when the numbers are in the 100s. Stay up late and fly prime time US eastern and then talk to me about numbers.

I wasn't talking about "people" I was talking about YOU. You said you logged out. Therefor you lowered your side by 1. Multiply that by how many do the same and it contributes to the imbalance. As far as the Baby Seal comment, (no this isn't flippant) it is up to you to watch your 6 and not get into those "ganged" situations. Don't fly into the hoard(96 enemies what a hoard  ), stay on the edges, use good SA, Grab a wingman! If getting killed in a virtual game bothers you that much then by all means log off!

I have no problem with folks switching side with the aim of balancing the #s but I see a lot of player doing just the opposite. As far as squads changing side there are numerous reasons a squad changes sides and not all of them have to do with numbers. I don't pre-judge a squads decision to switch countries as I am not privy to thier discussions.
 
Do some research, search these boards for your "suggestions" and I will bet you will find them here numerous times. imbalance is just going to happen. There is very little HTC can do about it. When they do try something, i.e. ENY limiter it raises just as many complaints as the situation they are trying to correct. Look up posts here regarding ENY  and you will find them. You will also find good explinations by HiTech regarding his philosophy on this subject.

I can only guess you're reading what I write but not really understanding what I'm saying.  Or not understanding my point of view when I write it.  
1. As I said before, I fly 6 to 10 hours a day at all times of the day (semi-retired for the time being).  I've seen the number consistantly at all time of the day for more than three months and can discern a distinct pattern of the numbers which currently seems to disadvantage the Bish more often than the other two sides.  
2. Often there is NO wingman to grab cause we are spread too thin, and in a base defense furball, its everyman for himself cause a wingman can't stick with you.  And with the numbers we sometimes have all you do is defend all night long. And if you're going to defend a base there is no way you're not going to get into a 'ganged situation' nor can you 'stay on the edges'.
3.  Finally, I not really interested in researching past posts to find out why improvement can't happen.  Its not my job anyway.  I'm paying for an experience that is not what I believe it should be, so I'm making a reasonable request, presenting my personal observations and preferences.  It may work.  It may not.  I may stay and play.  And I may not.

[DaPup]

Sloehand, I believe that you are asking for something that cannot be given to you by anyone here. The number disparity HAS become noticable to me (Rook) but I am not sure exactly what you are asking for. I don't believe that HTC will force players onto a side that they do not want, that would merely compound the problem. In the old days we as a community would have polite discussion that would result in a squad or two moving to the disadvantaged side but unfortunately I feel that the "leaders" of our community have given up trying to enforce "what is best for all makes the game better for all" mentality...I think a takeoff of the Rook RJO might work well short term but Bishops must try to pull squads from Knight and Rookland if they want the numbers to even up.

just my .02

DaPup