UK hit again?

[Swoop]

Ok, I'll try again:


I hope I never meet any of these.......nasty people.

[Dowding]

The terrorists are British citizens. It's going to be hard finding someone to invade in response and practically impossible to capitalize on the attacks to further our strategic goals.

Having said all that, I get the uncomfortable feeling that Enoch Powell was in some way right.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Dowding
Having said all that, I get the uncomfortable feeling that Enoch Powell was in some way right.

http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/powell_press.htm

[Skydancer]

Indeed very nasty.

The only thing that concerns me is that I think if there was a biological or chemical agent released it is unlikely that news would be broadcast for fear of causing a widespread panic. I wouldn't rule out such a thing having happened.The only way we will find out is when we see a sudden spike in deaths from something mighty unusual in this country.

Scary stuff.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Dowding
The terrorists are British citizens. It's going to be hard finding someone to invade in response and practically impossible to capitalize on the attacks to further our strategic goals.

Having said all that, I get the uncomfortable feeling that Enoch Powell was in some way right.

Clarify re: Enoch Powell.

Regards 'homegrown' vs 'forigen'.. how you folks handle this will in no small part impact how our government may handle our own domestic islamic jihadists. we've got 'em too. Enclaves in 5 major cities I'm aware of. Since we're an 'armed populace', I doubt seriously they'll survive very long should an attack on their fellow americans be forthcoming... possibly they are aware of this, may have had an impact on why we've not had any 'american citizen islamic terrorsit' hits here.

yet.

[beet1e]

Enoch Powell was a Conservative MP in the 1960s/70s. I think his seat was West Bromwich, which has a large immigrant population, and is not so far from where Skydancer lives. He was an ardent believer that all immigration should be stopped, and that those already here should be sent back under a system of "assisted repatriation". He made a famous speech which became known as his "Rivers of Blood" speech. A very clever man, he once wrote a book called "Income tax at 4/3 in the Pound" (4/3 in the pound was about 22%). No-one believed this possible, but Margaret Thatcher made the dream become a reality.

Originally posted by Hangtime
Since we're an 'armed populace', I doubt seriously they'll survive very long should an attack on their fellow americans be forthcoming... possibly they are aware of this, may have had an impact on why we've not had any 'american citizen islamic terrorsit' hits here.yet.

I think that will make bugger all difference. How many 911s do you need to be convinced?

[Seagoon]

Originally posted by CyranoAH
Expected more from you than this, Seagoon.

Daniel

Dear Daniel,

I am sorry if I personally offended you. Please allow me to state more clearly what I was trying to convey via satire.

I am not alleging that if Western nations stopped trying to conciliate the terrorists or the Media stopped giving them sympathetic attention (many news outlets now refer to members of Al Qaeda as "insurgents" while the current trend is now to call members of Al Ansar in Iraq "Guerillas" - Mosby  was a Guerilla, these men who confine the majority of their efforts to killing and terrorizing civilians are murderers pure and simple) the Jihad would stop overnight, but a consistent lack of success might at least get them to change tatics.

There is simply no question that the Spanish decision to cave into their demands wholesale was a massive boost to the theory that European nations are to weak to resist a few high profile attacks on civilians and would immediately seek to conciliate their attackers (a process Churchill referred to as "feeding the crocodile in the hopes he will eat you last"). Al Qaeda attacked Spain and then issued an ultimatum which they said Spain must meet in order to avoid further attacks, Spain complied. This was tremendously encouraging to Islamic terrorists throughout the world, and to say it wasn't a factor in their thinking in the London attacks is to ignore their own declarations. Aggressors are encouraged by surrender and discouraged by stubborn resistance.

The millitants aim to cow the West, force us to withdraw wholesale from the "nations of Islam," to stop resisting the implementation of Sharia law instead of democracy, to force Israel to make enough concessions to totally destabilize that nation, and then once all that has been accomplished to set about the process of conquering Europe for Islam - a process already well underway via immigration.  

I hold the newly elected Spanish government responsible for their decision to give the terrorists what they wanted, just as I hold the Western media responsible for encouraging the terrorists, fomenting anti-Western hatred, and aiding recruitment in Islamic nations. What Spain and the Media do in the name of politics ultimately has grave implications for our ability to contain and deal with what is essentially Jihad. I am not going to call what amount to fifth column activities anything but deplorable. Even the idea of responding to these men with concilliation is appalling. The string of attacks that really got started in the early 90s (The WTC bombing in '93 was something of a watershed event) have shown us that We have two and only two paths open to us - win or lose - they will not allow for any other option.

- SEAGOON

[Pooface]

GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRR

just got back from being in town

its not the bombs that people dont like, we dont give a *****
about bloody bombs, but like many people, i dont like walking. being out and about in london, and then being told you have to walk 10 miles home is ridiculous!!!!!

i wouldnt have cared about the bloody bombs, but my legs sure hurt!!!

im ok btw  only one injury troday, which apparently isnt bad. just some bloody loser wannabes these guys.

[Hangtime]

beetle.. if the 9/11 hijackers were born and raised american islamic jihadists outta detroit, the islamic enclave in detroit would be a smoldering ruin and american born islamic jihadists would be on the endangered species list.

Meanwhile, our hearts and minds are with you and your fellow britans; we freverently hope you remain safe, and that the peretrators are identified, the terror cells shut down and that you all come thru without further incident.

Bless yer Island Nation!

[Eagler]

first step would be rounding up all brit islamic leaders preaching hate and the destruction of England and her allies ... and deporting them asap

at the same time those with the same message in America should be put on the same boat...

[Seagoon]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Clarify re: Enoch Powell.

Regards 'homegrown' vs 'forigen'.. how you folks handle this will in no small part impact how our government may handle our own domestic islamic jihadists. we've got 'em too. Enclaves in 5 major cities I'm aware of. Since we're an 'armed populace', I doubt seriously they'll survive very long should an attack on their fellow americans be forthcoming... possibly they are aware of this, may have had an impact on why we've not had any 'american citizen islamic terrorsit' hits here.

yet.

Actually Hang,

I hate to contradict you here because I think we agree on some to the fundamentals (no pun intended) regarding this issue. But the fact remains the 9/11 terrorists lived and studied in the USA for quite some time, they did not have citizenship, but acted in all ways like resident aliens. They successfully attacked from within the country. Additionally, the Beltway Snipers,  John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, were both American citizens and Muslim terrorists who managed to kill 10 people before they were apprehended. At no point were they threatened by armed citizens.

We cannot prevent these attacks before they occur because we are simply not allowed to ask the question "What do John Allen Muhammad, John Walker Lindh, Osama Bin Laden, the London Bombers, the Bali Night Club Bombers, the USS Cole Bombers, the WTC Bombers, and the Chechen Rebels all have in common?" Because of that, all we can do is monitor (as much as we are able) react and resist.

Of course there might come a time when we finally say, "You know, it might not be a good idea to allow the Saudis to fund, build, and stock with materials Jihadi training centers in the USA."

But hey what do I know, as has been demonstrated here, I'm a bigot who thinks a religion isn't peaceful just because more than 12 million of its adherents are in favor of sawing my head off on video.

Sure, unlimited Islamic immigration and unfettered militant Masjid proliferation both in my birth place and adopted country aren't a problem. What was I thinking? Apparently progress looks a lot like the 7th century.

- SEAGOON

[Yeager]

At no point were they threatened by armed citizens.
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How can you possibly know this?  where you there?

Source???

[Seagoon]

Originally posted by Yeager
At no point were they threatened by armed citizens.
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How can you possibly know this?  where you there?

Source???

Yeager,

The facts of the Beltway Sniper case are well known. We used to live in the area, and in fact many of our family members still do. At what point were the two of them confronted, wounded, or killed by armed citizens? Never once during their reign of terror. They weren't even detected during the shootings, they simply sniped targets via a hole cut in the trunk of their vehicle.

My point is that an armed citizenry - while it is good means of deterring most crimes and acts as a check on government tyranny - is no guarantee against home grown terrorist attack.

Although it is interesting to note that the 9/11 hijackings succeeded because the hijackers were the only armed and determined men on those planes, and because people had been trained to expect that if they went along with the hijacker, they would probably get through it alive.

Of course things changed on flight 93 when the passengers realized via cell phone calls that they were essentially riding in a flying bomb.

- SEAGOON

[Hangtime]

But hey what do I know, as has been demonstrated here, I'm a bigot who thinks a religion isn't peaceful just because more than 12 million of its adherents are in favor of sawing my head off on video.

Horsepucky. I don't see you in that light, and I know of no others here that do either. If we can't disagree on some points and maintain mutual respect for each other then we've all lost the point.

Regarding the 9/11 attacks.. again, the path to the source did not lead here.

When and if we find a homegrown terror cell that perpetrates an attack funded by american islamists and staffed by american islamic jihadists the reaction (i believe) will be furious and deadly.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Seagoon
and because people had been trained to expect that if they went along with the hijacker, they would probably get through it alive.
- SEAGOON

To the point that you would be terminated by your employer if you DID NOT follow this policy even if you successfully avoided/prevented/stopped a hijacking.

Thankfully, this policy is no longer in force.