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Offline Overlag

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« Reply #90 on: July 22, 2005, 10:11:10 AM »
"normal" police units in the UK are unarmed. It allows more police on the streets with less training. And guncrime isnt THAT bad in uk. Any guncrime is bad but....its not widespread in uk.

armed response units are there to back up "normal" police in these cases.

however i do wish that police did have guns. This way very few would be at risk, and few kids/thugs would take the piss.

the ammount of times ive seen US police videos where the guy is running off and they shoot him in the leg or something to stop him getting away.

here in the UK they have to run after them and risk there lifes from stabbings.
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« Reply #91 on: July 22, 2005, 12:14:25 PM »
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Wel Said IMO.

wouldn't you like to just ONCE here the politicians say something into the camera to the terrorists like....

We are going to hunt you down like the POS Dogs you are. ANd when we find you we are not going to even give you a chance at a trail We are going to kill you with no questions asked and let you rot.

Just ONCE I wish someone had the nuts to say something along these lines instead of wussy footing around.


Redtop,

I believe Bush's speech after 9/11 fits the bill for what you are talking about. Instead of being appreciated for the sentiments you just posted he's vilified. Go figure why no one wants to come out and sound tough.
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« Reply #92 on: July 22, 2005, 12:43:16 PM »
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I belive it was confirmed that most of these guys lived here in the U.S.. Constitution did alot to protect them as well. Funny how this all works. We protect the very ones that end up doing the most harm.

Isn't it a great place where you can move to a country , roam freely , and learn to do bad things and kill many people. Then when your caught here we give you a lawyer and a trial. Make sure your not treated in a bad way so the ACLU won't be mad.

You just can't beat being a terrorist in America.....if you live through your attack.

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« Reply #93 on: July 22, 2005, 04:38:28 PM »
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Freedom isn't free. The cost to all of us is that someone may abuse it.



And the other cost is how when some try not to let it happen....they become the enemey. While I understand what you say.....I personally am sick of hearing about hiding behind a piece pf paper.

I'm tired of hearing about bad peoples rights.
Sick of hearing about racial profiling.
Sick of the whole friggin MESS.

Kill em all. No trials...no BC ACLU...Torture to get the info if needed...and throw em out with the trash.


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« Reply #94 on: July 22, 2005, 04:55:14 PM »
In other words, you're okay with the U.S. resorting to the same methods we're supposedly fighting to stop?

Atrocity begets atrocity. I'm not sure we can win this so-called war on terror, but I'm certain we can't win if we stoop to the methods of our enemies. We're better than that.

We have to be.
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« Reply #95 on: July 22, 2005, 05:49:21 PM »
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In other words, you're okay with the U.S. resorting to the same methods we're supposedly fighting to stop?

Atrocity begets atrocity. I'm not sure we can win this so-called war on terror, but I'm certain we can't win if we stoop to the methods of our enemies. We're better than that.

We have to be.


Sandman,

You may find this hard to believe but I agree with you for the most part. I sincerely believe that we should not be doing evil in the hopes that good might come of it.

However, I also believe its time we started treating what we started acting as though we are in a war in our treatment of terrorists caught overseas, and begin treating them in exactly the same manner that we treated the "Werewolves" in Germany after the Second World War - Capture them, try them via military tribunals, and if they are found guilty of terrorist activity, execute them via firing squad. This was the methodology the US employed in Germany, and are we really willing to say that Roosevelt, Marshall, and Truman were committing atrocities?

As it is,  our current methodology is placing our soldiers in an impossible situation, and our citizens in grave peril.

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« Reply #96 on: July 22, 2005, 05:55:53 PM »
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Sandman,
This was the methodology the US employed in Germany, and are we really willing to say that Roosevelt, Marshall, and Truman were committing atrocities?


We shouldn't bring up WWII. Firebombing Dresden, Berlin, Tokyo, etc. was by definition terrorism. ;) (not to mention dropping a couple of nukes on civilians).
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« Reply #97 on: July 22, 2005, 05:57:02 PM »
Torture for information is not reliable. Pharmacology is far more reliable and doesn't imply barbarism as long as it is extremely limited such as in a terrorism situation.
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« Reply #98 on: July 22, 2005, 11:40:52 PM »
Hi All,

The following is from the (London) Times. Three things mentioned in the article interested me, but did not amaze me.

1) One of the London Bombers, Shehzad Tanweer, discussed his "mission" with relatives, before the attack. They of course told no one.
2) His relatives are pleased with his actions
3) The Media is unquestionably getting Westerners killed with their self-destructive desire to portray every response the West makes to terrorism as a "war crime." Would it have killed Newsweek to sit on the then unconfirmed and now heavily repudiated story of "Quran Desecrations?" Heck, it never bothered Newsweek that Muslim governments regularly destroy bibles that they discover in the country.
4) 2000 villagers turned out to pray for the martyred Tanweer. Apparently the Pakistani version of "home town hero" is slightly different than one might hope.

Cousin listened to boasts about suicide mission
By Daniel McGrory, and Zahid Hussain in Islamabad


ON HIS last visit to relatives in Pakistan this year, one of the London bombers, Shehzad Tanweer, boasted of wanting to die in a revenge attack over the way Muslims are treated.

While his family in Leeds had no idea about his suicide mission, Tanweer confessed to his cousin his ambition to become a “holy warrior”. At his father’s home village 30 miles from Faisalabad, Mohammad Saleem described yesterday how Tanweer, 22, hero-worshipped Osama bin Laden.

Mr Saleem supported his cousin’s bombing at Aldgate station which killed seven people, saying: “Whatever he has done, if he has done it, then he has done right.” He recalled how Tanweer argued with family and friends about the need for violent retaliation over US abuse of Muslim prisoners in Guantanamo Bay.

Tanweer was no stranger to the village of Chak No 477, where his grandfather and several cousins live. During his last trip, the college dropout was visited by another of the bombers, Mohammad Sidique Khan. They are said to have met a known al-Qaeda activist who has since been jailed for bombing a church. “Whenever he would listen about sufferings of Muslims he would become very emotional and sentimental,” Mr Saleem said. “He was a good Muslim . . . he also wished to take part in jihad and lay down his life.

“He knew that excesses are being done to Muslims. Incidents like desecration of the Koran have always been in his mind.”

His uncle, Tahir Pervaiz, told the Pakistani daily Dawn: “Osama bin Laden was Shehzad’s ideal and he used to discuss the man with his cousins and friends in the village.”

After Tanweer’s death, more than 2,000 villagers turned out to pray for him.

A day after intelligence officials in Islamabad claimed to have seized Haroon Rashid Aswat, the Yorkshire-born al-Qaeda veteran, Mark Lyall-Grant, the British High Commissioner, said that nobody had been arrested in Pakistan “related to the London bombings”.
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« Reply #99 on: July 23, 2005, 08:34:09 PM »
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We shouldn't bring up WWII. Firebombing Dresden, Berlin, Tokyo, etc. was by definition terrorism. ;) (not to mention dropping a couple of nukes on civilians).


on that same notion we shouldn't call interigation techniques "torture" becuase you think it hurts the current administration wich you have a bone with.

All it does is tie the hands of the people fighting this war.  It's laughable that sleep deprevation is considered "torture"  and putting panties on ones head is "abuse"  

kinda puts prying one's fingernails off with needle nose plyers into a whole new catagory.

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« Reply #100 on: July 24, 2005, 11:34:38 AM »
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on that same notion we shouldn't call interigation techniques "torture" becuase you think it hurts the current administration wich you have a bone with.

All it does is tie the hands of the people fighting this war.  It's laughable that sleep deprevation is considered "torture"  and putting panties on ones head is "abuse"  

kinda puts prying one's fingernails off with needle nose plyers into a whole new catagory.


Torture?  or frat hazing? hhhmmm.

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« Reply #101 on: July 24, 2005, 11:51:39 AM »
aparently the guy they shot has nothing to do with anything :( :o
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