Egypt hit HARD

[Seagoon]

Hi Dowding,

Originally posted by Dowding
Sharm el-Sheikh isn't expensive. It's cheap compared many places in the med.

My parents are both keen scuba divers and were there two months ago at the Shark's Bay Hilton. Our whole family is planning a holiday out there next September.

Expensive is relative Dowding, while I know people who've taken their families on holiday to Sharm El Sheikh, it is well beyond the income of most Egyptians. But yes, its much cheaper than the Riviera for instance and significantly easier to get plastic explosives to.

- SEAGOON

[Seagoon]

Hi Uberhun,

Originally posted by uberhun
It will never end .
So long as man believes in the concept of Religion. It is Man made nonsense. Meant for a time long ago. the less informed embrace it, breath it, and live it because they have nothing else.

A couple of questions from one of the less informed untermensch.

Why is it then that so many members of the Arab intelligentsia become Jihadis? Many of the pilots, bomb-makers, and suicide bombers come from wealthy families and received education well into the graduate level. For instance, Osama, who is by no means the most educated Islamic terrorist, came from a very wealthy family and has a university degree. Certainly neither he, nor most of his Leutenants "has nothing else." Many of the terrorists have spent a significant amount of time in secular Western society and only hate the west all the more.  

Is it totally impossible to be educated and believe that materialist philosophies are vain and empty at best? Must one be entirely stupid to believe the truth claims of a religion?

Personally, while I happen to believe the Jihadis believe a lie, and commit acts of monstrous evil, I don't believe them to be uniformly "poor," "ignorant," or "insane."
 
- SEAGOON

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Toad
What I find more interesting is that given all the Western targets that are open to them they seem to be hitting fellow Muslims pretty hard.

Countries like Algeria and Egypt are basically secular which is what the fundlementalists hate.  These countries have been hit hard by fundlementalist fanatics for years.  In Algeria, they've wiped out entire villages.


ack-ack

[hacksaw1]

The Quran on Arabs who are not Muslims.

"And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagan (Arabs). If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagan (Arabs) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).

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So the zealous Muslim is led to fight against anyone else who "acts like a pagan," including those who say they are Muslims.
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The Quran on the rest of the world.

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).

The passage on "no compulsion in religion"

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).

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No compulsion for "whoever rejects Islam's view of evil and believes in Islam's Allah."
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In a recent article for the National Review Online Victor Davis Hanson makes some interesting remarks about Islamist objectives and Western response.

http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson072205.html

"…Perhaps the jihadist killing was not over the West Bank or U.S. hegemony after all, but rather symptoms of a global pathology of young male Islamic radicals blaming all others for their own self-inflicted miseries, convinced that attacks on the infidel would win political concessions, restore pride, and prove to Israelis, Europeans, Americans — and about everybody else on the globe — that Middle Eastern warriors were full of confidence and pride after all… "

Regards

Cement

[uberhun]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi Uberhun,



A couple of questions from one of the less informed untermensch.

Why is it then that so many members of the Arab intelligentsia become Jihadis? Many of the pilots, bomb-makers, and suicide bombers come from wealthy families and received education well into the graduate level. For instance, Osama, who is by no means the most educated Islamic terrorist, came from a very wealthy family and has a university degree. Certainly neither he, nor most of his Leutenants "has nothing else." Many of the terrorists have spent a significant amount of time in secular Western society and only hate the west all the more.  

Is it totally impossible to be educated and believe that materialist philosophies are vain and empty at best? Must one be entirely stupid to believe the truth claims of a religion?

Personally, while I happen to believe the Jihadis believe a lie, and commit acts of monstrous evil, I don't believe them to be uniformly "poor," "ignorant," or "insane."
 
- SEAGOON

Hey,SEAGOON

My personal beliefs are this.
1. The Jihadis that come from well to do families are disillusioned with their percieved corupt westernized existence. (Not unalike David Koresh and his followers).
2. They embrace this belief of purity through sacrafice and message to become closer to God.
3. Any message that embraces the philosophy of conformity of will through force and brutality must be questioned.
4. All major religions do this.
5. Hence why I said earlier in this Thread that man needs to give up the concept of religion as we understand it and evolve to a higher purpose.
6. Islam tries to do that by eliminating all competion.