Russian woman sues Rotten Ronnies...

[FiLtH]

Hot water in my state is 130 degrees F. Shower heads and public lavatories and handicap fixtures have to be 110 degrees F.

    I have a chart around somewhere but I think its something like this.

110 Doesnt scald
120 Scalds take like 3-5 minutes
130 Is down to seconds
140 is near instant scalding.
Anything above the hotter, the more severe the burn.

  Had a boiler dump 180 degree water on me once...just a split second and my leg looked like a torch had been applied to it.

 

  Thats for plumbing fixtures though...Im not sure what the health dept says about coffee temp.

[lasersailor184]

From what I've heard, most people don't know what happened to the old lady.


The old lady bought her coffee and took it out to her car.  She wanted to put sugar and cream and stuff in it.  So here's what she did.

She put the cup between her legs and struggled to get the top off.  And it was sort of like the exploding chip bag.  She got the top off and spilled it.

There were warnings all over the coffee and she did have a cupholder.


However, it wasn't her actions or Mcdonald's lack of warnings that caused McDonalds to lose the suit.



McDonalds pretty much entered the court and said that they don't care about stuff like this.  Because they brew the coffee higher, they make more profits per day than anyone else.  The Profits from 2 days more worth of coffee is enough to pay off any of these BS suits the incapable come up with.

So mcdonald's doesn't care if 20 of these suits a day come up.  They could pay each one and not take a hit to the company.



So the jury pretty much said FU back to Mcdonalds.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by lasersailor184

So the jury pretty much said FU back to Mcdonalds.

They said FU because McDonalds was liable, not because they were jerks.

http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm

 McFact No. 1:  For years, McDonald's had known they had a problem with the way they make their coffee - that their coffee was served much hotter (at least 20 degrees more so) than at other restaurants.

McFact No. 2:  McDonald's knew its coffee sometimes caused serious injuries - more than 700 incidents of scalding coffee burns in the past decade have been settled by the Corporation - and yet they never so much as consulted a burn expert regarding the issue.

McFact No. 3:  The woman involved in this infamous case suffered very serious injuries - third degree burns on her groin, thighs and buttocks that required skin grafts and a seven-day hospital stay.

McFact No. 4:  The woman, an 81-year old former department store clerk who had never before filed suit against anyone, said she wouldn't have brought the lawsuit against McDonald's had the Corporation not dismissed her request for compensation for medical bills.

McFact No. 5:  A McDonald's quality assurance manager testified in the case that the Corporation was aware of the risk of serving dangerously hot coffee and had no plans to either turn down the heat or to post warning about the possibility of severe burns, even though most customers wouldn't think it was possible.

McFact No. 6:  After careful deliberation, the jury found McDonald's was liable because the facts were overwhelmingly against the company. When it came to the punitive damages, the jury found that McDonald's had engaged in willful, reckless, malicious, or wanton conduct, and rendered a punitive damage award of 2.7 million dollars. (The equivalent of just two days of coffee sales, McDonalds Corporation generates revenues in excess of 1.3 million dollars daily from the sale of its coffee, selling 1 billion cups each year.)

McFact No. 7:  On appeal, a judge lowered the award to $480,000, a fact not widely publicized in the media.

McFact No. 8:  A report in Liability Week, September 29, 1997, indicated that Kathleen Gilliam, 73, suffered first degree burns when a cup of coffee spilled onto her lap. Reports also indicate that McDonald's consistently keeps its coffee at 185 degrees, still approximately 20 degrees hotter than at other restaurants. Third degree burns occur at this temperature in just two to seven seconds, requiring skin grafting, debridement and whirlpool treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars and result in permanent disfigurement, extreme pain and disability to the victims for many months, and in some cases, years.

[Russian]

Take some bloody responsibility and stop blaming others! They serve coffee hot, buyer knows that, just because person is a klutz doesn’t make MD responsible for their behavior. If MD wants to keep coffee at 180 or 200 it is none of your business.

“willful, reckless, malicious, or wanton conduct” ---is this statement about coffee? What kind of moronic liberal view one must have to spill that kind of garbage?
 

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by midnight Target
The US lawsuit regarding the MacDonalds coffee was not frivolous.

Mac's was guilty of knowingly serving something that was potentially very dangerous without warning. They had internal memos regarding the safety issue of their coffee. The lady had THIRD degree burns. Mac's was serving the coffee at a temp as close to boiling as possible.

Far as Im concerned it was.
Internal memo or not
Some people I know wont drink coffee unless its darn near boiling
Its flipping coffee its supposed to be hot.
You shouldnt need to give a warning about something that is supposed to be hot to begin with.
One would hope that one would have some common sence and realise that hey, this stuff is sold hot.
But noooo. Not in this day and age. Flipping bleeding hearts have the court system so screwed up that companies have to be responcable for peoples own stupidity and lack of common sence with this shift the blame mentality.
No. Its not my fault Im an idiot. Its yours.

If someone AT McDonalds threw the cup of coffee on her or even accidentaly spilled it on her I'd agree. But she spilled it on herself by doing something equally dumb.

but does she accept responcability for her own stupidity? No
Her stupidity has to be Mc'Donalds fault.

I Get cappacino from WAWA. That gets served scalding hot too. Common sence tells me not to put it between my legs when I get in my car because..hey this stuff is HOT I might burn myself.
And if I did and did get burned I wouldnt blame anyone but MYSELF for being so stupid

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Glasses
Now my question is who would drink that awful Mcdonald's coffee.

Isn't that just earth mixed with water and sugar . Yuck!

Its my understanding that most of these big cash awards lawsuits do eventually get overturned on appeal. Its just that they dont make the news.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by FiLtH

  Had a boiler dump 180 degree water on me once...just a split second and my leg looked like a torch had been applied to it.
 

Well damn man!
Why didnt you sue the boilermaker??

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Russian
Take some bloody responsibility and stop blaming others! They serve coffee hot, buyer knows that, just because person is a klutz doesn’t make MD responsible for their behavior. If MD wants to keep coffee at 180 or 200 it is none of your business.

“willful, reckless, malicious, or wanton conduct” ---is this statement about coffee? What kind of moronic liberal view one must have to spill that kind of garbage?
 

Really. Its a shame that she got burned so badly but she did it to herself. Mc D's didnt pour it on her

[XrightyX]

Originally posted by midnight Target
They said FU because McDonalds was liable, not because they were jerks.

http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm

 McFact No. 1:  For years, McDonald's had known they had a problem with the way they make their coffee - that their coffee was served much hotter (at least 20 degrees more so) than at other restaurants.

McFact No. 8:  A report in Liability Week, September 29, 1997, indicated that Kathleen Gilliam, 73, suffered first degree burns when a cup of coffee spilled onto her lap. Reports also indicate that McDonald's consistently keeps its coffee at 185 degrees, still approximately 20 degrees hotter than at other restaurants. Third degree burns occur at this temperature in just two to seven seconds, requiring skin grafting, debridement and whirlpool treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars and result in permanent disfigurement, extreme pain and disability to the victims for many months, and in some cases, years.

Sounds like more restaurants should be getting sued than just McD's.  If McD's serves coffee at 185 deg and this is at least 20 deg more than other restaurants, then we can go with 150-165 at other restaurants.  

According to the NASD (established by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health), 150 deg water can cause 3rd deg burns in as little as 2 sec; 140 deg water can cause 3rd deg burns in as little as 5 sec.  These numbers are on kids, but they should apply as well to 81 or 73 year old as well as they also have thin skin (collagen breakdown w/ age....).

Don't serve coffee without a signed waiver.

[RETARD MCGEE]

Originally posted by Russian
Take some bloody responsibility and stop blaming others! They serve coffee hot, buyer knows that, just because person is a klutz doesn�t make MD responsible for their behavior. If MD wants to keep coffee at 180 or 200 it is none of your business.

�willful, reckless, malicious, or wanton conduct� ---is this statement about coffee? What kind of moronic liberal view one must have to spill that kind of garbage?
 

IIRC the 180 degree coffee fused the skin inside her vagina together.
 
it is anyone's business if a corporation needlessly endangers its customers just to make an extra profit.

[Russian]

Originally posted by RETARD MCGEE
IIRC the 180 degree coffee fused the skin inside her vagina together.
 
it is anyone's business if a corporation needlessly endangers its customers just to make an extra profit.

Should I nibble a little on this bait or bite really hard?

[RETARD MCGEE]

Originally posted by Russian
Should I nibble a little on this bait or bite really hard?

it's not bait but you can eat it if you want

[Fishu]

Originally posted by RETARD MCGEE
it is anyone's business if a corporation needlessly endangers its customers just to make an extra profit.

The 20F difference would been most likely unnoticeable in her case.

You're just not supposed to put a hot cup of coffee between your legs while doing something which requires you to move rather alot in a small space....  as a sane person you just don't do that. Regardless was it 50F hotter or colder, it is still too hot.




In february a stuertess poured hot tea on my hand on a flight from Helsinki to NYC (They had just ran out of hot water and it was brought to me directly from the "kitchen", so it was about as hot as they had it heated to).

That describes the situation pretty well in short and thats what people would remember of the case, had it been on the newspapers (and with a lawsuit).
However what is left untold, is that it was just an accident, in which I had a part too.
I was sitting by the window and to make it easy and quick, I kept the cup by both hands and held it over the next bench.
As the stuertess was pouring the hot water, the plane hit turbulence, just once, but enough to move the pour of hot water over to my hand.
However just couple of seconds before I had a flashy thought it wasn't maybe the best idea if the plane hits even a small turbulence and in the second I had prepared myself for the worst.
Luckily for me, I was able to quickly withdraw my hand quickly and shake off the hot drops of water... and without dropping the halfway filled up cup with the other hand in the shock.

Could've probably filed a claim directly to the airline and likely also got something out of the case.
It wasn't the airlines fault and can't really blame the stuertess either, even though she "should've" foreseen the danger and done it in more proper way.
However how could I blame the airline or stuertess, if I hadn't used common sense in time?
Accidents happen... can't really blame anyone, because nobody is a perfect thinker.
Got sincere apologies and a box of chocolate, even though I tried to say it's nothing and I also had a blame.

Wasn't too bad injury though, just stirred for rest of the day.
Two seconds more with the hot water drops on the hand could been worse.
Could've made nice headlines tho...

[RETARD MCGEE]

Originally posted by Fishu
stuff about having hot water poured on himself

yes but mcdonalds coffee was 50 degrees higher than the standards, and the case involved a person recieving burns to the groin area. it isn't an issue of having a little bit of tea spilled on your hand. there was also some issue with the container of the coffee that i don't have at hand right now, and the woman only took it to court after mcdonalds refused to compensate for her medical bills. maybe try basing your arguments on facts might help.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by RETARD MCGEE
IIRC the 180 degree coffee fused the skin inside her vagina together.
 
it is anyone's business if a corporation needlessly endangers its customers just to make an extra profit.

The temp. of the coffee has no bearing on the profit for the corporation. The mere fact that they serve coffee has an impact as they are selling a product that is in demand.

The real problem, as far as liability is concerned, is not that the coffee was too hot but another issue. McD's should require a liability waiver from every customer buying coffee and bonefide proof that the customer is SMART enough to know that a vagina is NOT the appropriate organ with which to associate with coffee of any temperature.

This was a clear case of misuse of a product by a customer too dumb to know that coffee does not go between the legs and that driving a car requires the use of most if not all of the limbs a person is normally born with. In addition to that a vast number of vehicles come equiped with a nice little device called a CUP HOLDER designed to temporarliy store a cup of any beverage.

If the attendant at McD's had poured the liquid on the customer then, IMO, they would be liable for the burns.