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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2005, 01:16:07 AM »
That's better.  Now I'm off to bed.  God has to get his beauty sleep, so he can be perky and alert at work tomorrow.
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2005, 01:19:29 AM »
(he's a she, but don't tell her)
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2005, 02:04:14 AM »
wasnt the first thing she did as mayor of san francisco was to ban hand guns in the city?

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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2005, 02:12:06 AM »
you tell us.

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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2005, 02:32:11 AM »
"I intend to offer at least one amendment, which would put dangerous and destructive .50 caliber military sniper rifles in the same category as weapons such as machine guns and sawed-off shotguns.

These extremely powerful sniper rifles are powerful enough to bring down airplanes and can fire a bullet a mile and penetrate a brick wall. They are for sale virtually anywhere, even at gun shows with no background checks. If this bill passes, these potential terrorist weapons would continue to be for sale with virtual blanket liability protection.”


Sounds pretty sensible to me! :D

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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2005, 02:58:25 AM »
You think terrorists would want to use a .50 cal? They'd have to train quite a bit to learn lead and bullet drop to tank a plane down.


Its the shoulder fire rockets that can home in on planes' exhaust and such that we should be more worried about. Basically aim and wait for it to beep.

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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2005, 07:02:33 AM »
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Originally posted by Nash

Fact is she was *****in' about how the NRA gets its lobbyists to push through unprecedented protections at the expense of work on the Patriot Act.

It's what we're talking about.



WRONG

It's what YOU'RE talking about. If you want to talk about pork, start your own thread.

THIS thread is about Fienstien attempting to FORCE legislation on her own agenda by holding every bill hostage.
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2005, 07:10:53 AM »
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I don't really disagree with her about the uses of a .50 cal sniper rifle but I do disagree with any encroachment on the 2nd Amendment.


Just like any other firearm, it only does what its owner does with it.

I happen to know Ronnie Barrett, owner of the the Barrett Manufactuing company, personally. His company makes the vast majority of those weapons. He can't go to the bathroom without 3 dozen government agencies knowing about it. If you think ANY of these weapons sold legally go anywhere the Feds don't know about it you're crazy. And they know EXACTLY how many are made. Barrett accounts for EVERY piece of raw materials purchased, and evey component purchased from a subcontractor.


Simply put, those weapons (rifles chambered for 50BMG) are so strictly and carefully watched, no one with evil intent is going to buy one. They'll have one built (at a machine shop), or build it themselves. Even then, they'll have to BUY the barrel, since rifling equipment is also expensive and closely watched. Go buy a 50 caliber barrel and see how many times your name pops up on the government "to be watched" lists.

And besides, the minute you give up part of a right, they'll be back to take the rest soon enough.
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2005, 07:13:36 AM »
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Hmm... I thought it was "why are we even talking about the 2nd right now?"


Uh, because the thread was about Fienstien trying to force her amendment to every bill in order to encroach on rights provided for by the Second Amendment? At least until you decided to try to hijack it and make it about pork.
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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2005, 07:47:02 AM »
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Originally posted by Skydancer
"I intend to offer at least one amendment, which would put dangerous and destructive .50 caliber military sniper rifles in the same category as weapons such as machine guns and sawed-off shotguns.

These extremely powerful sniper rifles are powerful enough to bring down airplanes and can fire a bullet a mile and penetrate a brick wall. They are for sale virtually anywhere, even at gun shows with no background checks. If this bill passes, these potential terrorist weapons would continue to be for sale with virtual blanket liability protection.”


Sounds pretty sensible to me! :D


Yeah, she's right. You can go to any corner store or gun show and buy a rifle chambered in 50BMG from just about anyone, with no paperwork at all.:rolleyes:

I go to a gun show at least every month. I've NEVER seen anything chambered in 50BMG for sale by ANYONE but a licensed dealer. They sell for at least $2K and up and ammo is $4-$5 a loaded round. Not once have I seen a private individual dragging a rifle chambered in 50BMG around a gun show trying to sell it.

The bill she speaks of when she says: "If this bill passes, these potential terrorist weapons would continue to be for sale with virtual blanket liability protection", is a bill that makes it impossible to sue a GUN MANUFACTURER for making or selling a gun that is eventually used by a criminal in the commission of a crime.

The bill makes PERFECT SENSE. Unless you think Mercedes should be sued for making the car that the woman in Texas used to run over her husband. Unless you think Louisville Slugger should be sued for making a baseball bat some thug used to beat his victim to death.

The 50BMG chambered rifle is a really poor choice for use by terrorists. The terrorists are looking to make large scale hits killing or wounding hundreds at a time. The average 50 BMG rifle is a single shot or at best a 3-4 shot semi auto. It is 4'-5' long and weighs at least 15#-20#. Many weigh 25# or more. It is a very impractical weapon for someone intending to kill large numbers of people in a single stroke.

It COULD be used for assassination of individuals, but again, it is very impractical for that as well. When making those shots, the setup takes an expert marksman with incredible training and patience a great deal of time, and usually at least one spotter is involved. It would be pretty difficult to walk around in public with the rifle (even in a case) and also have a guy with you carrying a spotter's scope and tripod and whatever else you'd need. Then you'd have to know EXACTLY where your target would be. Just being inside a particular vehicle or structure is not "close enough". And even armor piercing 50BMG bullets are deflected by the armor in limos and armored glass. The bullet WILL deviate from its intended path when it hits protective armor of any type at anything less than a perfect 90 degree angle. When used against armored vehicles, the 50 BMG rifle is used to stop the vehicle, not kill the driver or occupants. You disable the vehicle. Try that with a vehicle transporting a head of state or other likely candidate for assassination and the area will be swarmed with military and law enforcement while your intended victim hides deep within the vehicle, which by the way will be immediately surrounded by a half dozen other vehicles, mostly at least lightly armored.

Oh, and by the way, I can purchase armor piercing bullets for my 30 caliber rifles and load my own ammo, all of which will be more powerful than the military 30 caliber machine gun round. My 300 Winchester Magnum is easily capable of shooting 4"-6" groups at 500 yards or more. I'm thinking about building a .308-.378, which is a 1K yard rifle. Just for the fun of shooting long range matches. I could just as easily load up armor piercing bullets in it and shoot them 1K yards as well.

Idiots like Fienstien worry WAY too much about firearms, when they should be worrying about real threats they could spend money dealing with. So far, there've been about a dozen or so attempts to use shoulder fired surface to air missles to bring down commercial airliners. And exactly how many terrorist acts have been attempted or committed with rifles chambered in 50BMG? Yeah, that's what I thought.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2005, 07:54:55 AM »
God...erm, I mean SOB...I love this place:D



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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2005, 08:14:24 AM »
the fact is that finestein and her cronies are using the courts to bankrupt the gun manufacturers with frivolious lawsuits..

The bill in question is to protect honest manufactureres from costly and frivvolous lawsuits.   It is the best weapon the anti gun nuts have at this time.

What will the law do?   If a man takes a 44 cold anaconda and shoots his entire family....

The law will protect Colt from being sued for making a dangerous product..

If a man takes a colt anaconda tho and drops it and it onto carpet from 4 feet and it goes off and injures him...  He would be able to bring a suit against Colt tho under the bill.

Think of it as... if woman spills a hot soucepan on her child... is it right to sue the stove manufacturer because he made a stove that could make liquid become harmfully hot?

sure.. the case might get thrown out but it would still cost the stove manufacturer a good deal of money to defend against.

As for 50 calibers.... first... finestien wouldn't be able to identify one if you clubbed her with it (a really good idea)....  and... to date the incidents of 50 calibers being used illegally is..... well.... zero

Most hunting rifles can take down a plane... it is the armored limos that she is worried about... her armored limmo to be precise.

This is as it should be... government should fear the people not the other way around.

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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2005, 10:12:39 AM »
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Well yeah, maybe SOB, but....

Fact is she was *****in' about how the NRA gets its lobbyists to push through unprecedented protections at the expense of work on the Patriot Act.

It's what we're talking about.

Now if there's a problem with this chick, go ahead and post examples.

This aint one. And there are no freebies. If ya wanna diss her, make us understand why. This here doesn't cut it.


What "unprecedented protections"?  In the '90s, the congress passed a law limiting the liability of airplane manufacturers for small plane safety systems to support the industry.  As a result, Cessna and other companies could get back into the business of building small light planes.  That's one recent example of a very similar protection for an industry.

I am sure we can come up with more.

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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2005, 10:26:58 AM »
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Yeah, she's right. You can go to any corner store or gun show and buy a rifle chambered in 50BMG from just about anyone, with no paperwork at all.:rolleyes:

I go to a gun show at least every month. I've NEVER seen anything chambered in 50BMG for sale by ANYONE but a licensed dealer. They sell for at least $2K and up and ammo is $4-$5 a loaded round. Not once have I seen a private individual dragging a rifle chambered in 50BMG around a gun show trying to sell it.

The bill she speaks of when she says: "If this bill passes, these potential terrorist weapons would continue to be for sale with virtual blanket liability protection", is a bill that makes it impossible to sue a GUN MANUFACTURER for making or selling a gun that is eventually used by a criminal in the commission of a crime.

The bill makes PERFECT SENSE. Unless you think Mercedes should be sued for making the car that the woman in Texas used to run over her husband. Unless you think Louisville Slugger should be sued for making a baseball bat some thug used to beat his victim to death.

The 50BMG chambered rifle is a really poor choice for use by terrorists. The terrorists are looking to make large scale hits killing or wounding hundreds at a time. The average 50 BMG rifle is a single shot or at best a 3-4 shot semi auto. It is 4'-5' long and weighs at least 15#-20#. Many weigh 25# or more. It is a very impractical weapon for someone intending to kill large numbers of people in a single stroke.

It COULD be used for assassination of individuals, but again, it is very impractical for that as well. When making those shots, the setup takes an expert marksman with incredible training and patience a great deal of time, and usually at least one spotter is involved. It would be pretty difficult to walk around in public with the rifle (even in a case) and also have a guy with you carrying a spotter's scope and tripod and whatever else you'd need. Then you'd have to know EXACTLY where your target would be. Just being inside a particular vehicle or structure is not "close enough". And even armor piercing 50BMG bullets are deflected by the armor in limos and armored glass. The bullet WILL deviate from its intended path when it hits protective armor of any type at anything less than a perfect 90 degree angle. When used against armored vehicles, the 50 BMG rifle is used to stop the vehicle, not kill the driver or occupants. You disable the vehicle. Try that with a vehicle transporting a head of state or other likely candidate for assassination and the area will be swarmed with military and law enforcement while your intended victim hides deep within the vehicle, which by the way will be immediately surrounded by a half dozen other vehicles, mostly at least lightly armored.

Oh, and by the way, I can purchase armor piercing bullets for my 30 caliber rifles and load my own ammo, all of which will be more powerful than the military 30 caliber machine gun round. My 300 Winchester Magnum is easily capable of shooting 4"-6" groups at 500 yards or more. I'm thinking about building a .308-.378, which is a 1K yard rifle. Just for the fun of shooting long range matches. I could just as easily load up armor piercing bullets in it and shoot them 1K yards as well.

Idiots like Fienstien worry WAY too much about firearms, when they should be worrying about real threats they could spend money dealing with. So far, there've been about a dozen or so attempts to use shoulder fired surface to air missles to bring down commercial airliners. And exactly how many terrorist acts have been attempted or committed with rifles chambered in 50BMG? Yeah, that's what I thought.:rolleyes:




The facts won't stop people like skyprancer. He has to throw his 2 bits in on every gun topic, even though in everyone he is just tossing out typical ignorant BS.