What Bush Did Right

[lazs2]

sooo... MT is for an inheritance tax so long as it (the cutoff point)is somewhere above anything he thinks he will be able to accrue in his lifetime...  stick it to those guys who made more than him...

after all... the money the government extorts is spent so wisely and any extra they get will just be put to that much more good use eh?

lazs

[Steve]

So the only income they should be in favor of taxing should be income you didn't really earn. Like inheritance ..you get the picture.

No, all I get is that you don't have an answer; that you'll bash the administration all day long yet don't have anything to actually offer as a solution to what you feel is being done wrong.
 You're simply a malcontent who never got over the fact that the dems lost, they have no political agenda besides redistribution of wealth, and people know it.  You get the picture.

[midnight Target]

Steve dood... yer babbling again.

I answered the question. Just cause you don't like the answer doesn't mean it doesn't exist grasshopper.

Just because the money came from Dad or the husband doesn't mean it wasn't earned.

Nice try Clifra, but if the money comes from your daddy, YOU didn't earn it. And if it's your husband's money you automatically become the owner. In fact if it is your husband's money it is also your money so no inheritance tax applies.... unless you had some kind of pre-nup.

Now if momma and daddy want the kids to get the 100 million dollar "family ranch" they just need to make them equal partners in the property. Done deal.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by midnight Target
...if the money comes from your daddy, YOU didn't earn it.  

The government didn't earn it either.

[Silat]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi Parker,

 

We could go back and forth on anecdotal evidence based on the people we associate with or our own lives all day. (For instance, most of the married couples I know have monogamous relationships, have been or will end up being married for more than a decade and have not physically cheated on their spouse. I myself have been married for 11 years and fall into that category.) But we don't need to do that, there are actually people who make a living compiling statistics about this stuff.

So for instance, a 2001 National Center for Health Statistics study on marriage and divorce statistics reported that 66 percent of first marriages last ten years or longer, with fifty percent lasting twenty years or longer and this data was confirmed by a 2002 U.S. Census Bureau study which reported similar results, with 57.7 percent staying married for twenty years or longer.

Additionally while the stats across the board are trending downward as marriage and societal constraints continue to unravel, the level of monogamy in heterosexual marriage is still around 85% for women and 75% for men. This is contrasted with around 4.5 % for homosexual males (Laumann, The Social Organization of Sexuality, McWhirter and Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop) and that data is supported by Homosexual publications and organizations which feel that "monogamy" is an alien and unwelcome concept in the homosexual lifestyle. Put simply, monogamy is something straights are concerned about not gays, therefore it should not be forced to be part of a gay definition of marriage anymore than one man and one woman should be.

Anywho, all of this is piling up so much sand against the tide coming in, eventually we will see homosexual marriage in the USA, probably by means of court dictat, and all the stats or treatises or ethical arguments or popular votes in the world aren't going to stop the Western intelligentsia from making their desires the law of the land. So Parker, regardless of the validity of your arguments, it doesn't take a prophet to forsee that you and Hawk will eventually get what you want.

- SEAGOON

Per capita divorce rates 1990-2002:
1991, 0.47%
1992, 0.48%
1993, 0.46%
1994, 0.46%
1995, 0.46%
1995, 0.43%
1997, 0.43%,
1998, 0.42%,
1999, 0.41%,
2000, 0.41%,
2001, 0.40%,
2002, 0.38%

http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html

[Steve]

but if the money comes from your daddy, YOU didn't earn it

So because parents want to make a better life for their children, the money belongs to the government?   Could you 'splain this to me, Mt?

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Silat
Per capita divorce rates 1990-2002:
1991, 0.47%
1992, 0.48%
1993, 0.46%
1994, 0.46%
1995, 0.46%
1995, 0.43%
1997, 0.43%,
1998, 0.42%,
1999, 0.41%,
2000, 0.41%,
2001, 0.40%,
2002, 0.38%

http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html

Wow, the institute of marriage is alive and well if divorce rates are under 1.0%

Are the above figures during the first year of marriage only?

[lazs2]

I see... if you make your kids equal partners then there is no tax... you favor loopholes..   Those smart enough to evade tax with a loophole are entitled?  

Two sets of fathers... one makes his kid an "equal partner" on paper and the other doesn't..

Both die and make a will to leave all their money to their sons... one get's half or more of the money extorted away by the government while the other sneaks by..

Both wanted their child to benifiet neither wanted to have money stolen from their kids by the government..

In the case of the wife..  a wife isn't even a blood relative... yet... you would give her tax free money and not the child who is blood?

No blood relative should have to pay an inheritance tax any more than a wife should.

lazs

[Rolex]

Inheritance taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, airport security taxes, state income taxes, gasoline taxes, tobacco taxes, taxes to finance the Spanish-American War still being collected on telephone charges, luxury taxes, excess profits taxes, capital gains taxes, taxes masquerading as user fees, federal excise taxes...

Good thing there isn't a penny tax on stamps - that would start a revolution... again.

[Dago]

I'll take Democrat nonsense for one hundred Alex.

Answer:

Originally posted by Rolex
Inheritance taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, airport security taxes, state income taxes, gasoline taxes, tobacco taxes, taxes to finance the Spanish-American War still being collected on telephone charges, luxury taxes, excess profits taxes, capital gains taxes, taxes masquerading as user fees, federal excise taxes...

Good thing there isn't a penny tax on stamps - that would start a revolution... again.

And the question is:  What have the tax and spend democrats given us in the last 100 years?

Ding, correct.  Select again.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Dago
I'll take Democrat nonsense for one hundred Alex.

Answer:

 

And the question is:  What have the tax and spend democrats given us in the last 100 years?

Ding, correct.  Select again.

Ding?

Try Bzzzt.

Thars a Democratic White House for what.... 12 of the last 40 years?

You guys are  laying it on pretty thick.

Running out of shiny objects to point at.

[Seagoon]

Originally posted by Silat
Per capita divorce rates 1990-2002:
1991, 0.47%
1992, 0.48%
1993, 0.46%
1994, 0.46%
1995, 0.46%
1995, 0.43%
1997, 0.43%,
1998, 0.42%,
1999, 0.41%,
2000, 0.41%,
2001, 0.40%,
2002, 0.38%

http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html

Actually  the more useful information is at the end of the page:

"The National Center for Health Statistics recently released a report which found that 43
percent of first marriages end in separation or divorce within 15 years. The study is based on
the National Survey of Family Growth, a nationally representative sample of women age 15 to
44 in 1995. Bramlett, Matthew and William Mosher. "First marriage dissolution, divorce, and
remariage: United States," Advance Data From Vital and Health Statistics; No.323. Hyattsville
MD: National Center for Health Statistics: 2 1.

"Data in the Census report were collected from both men and women, age 15 and over, and a
different methodology was used than in the NCHS report.

"About 50% of first marriages for men under age 45 may end in
divorce, and between 44 and 52% of women's first marriages
may end in divorce for these age groups. The likelihood of a divorce
is lowest for men and women age 60, for whom 36 % of men
and 32 percent of women may divorce from their first marriage by
the end of their lives. A similar statistical exercise was performed in
1975 using marital history data from the Current Population Survey
(CPS). Projections based on those data implied that about one-third of
married persons who were 25 to 35 years old in 1975 would end their
first marriage in divorce.

"This cohort of people, who in 1996 were about 45 to 55 years old, had
already exceeded these projections as about 40% of men and
women in these ages had divorced from their first marriage. Current
projections now indicate that the proportion could be as high as
50% for persons now in their early forties."

Marriage as an institution is broken in our society, and our solution seems to be to continue to whack at it with a hammer. Sure, it'll survive.



- SEAGOON

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Seagoon

Marriage as an institution is broken in our society, and our solution seems to be to continue to whack at it with a hammer. Sure, it'll survive.



- SEAGOON

Ironically, there are people fighting to get married, but they can't.

[Nash]

You're good, Sand.

I'm about as subtle as a jack hammer.

"Anywho, all of this is piling up so much sand against the tide coming in, eventually we will see homosexual marriage in the USA..." - Seagoon

OMG marriage is in trouble! Frankly, it's a mess! It has nothing to with homos but gawdamn! If THEY start getting into this failed marriage racket who knows HOW much worse these stats are gonna become?!!

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Sandman
Ironically, there are people fighting to get married, but they can't.

Your speaking of the polygamists in Utah aren't you...