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Offline Thrawn

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« Reply #90 on: August 07, 2005, 10:24:32 PM »
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You on the other hand are willing to let them chase you off of a plane because you don't want your bag searched.



Nope.

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« Reply #91 on: August 07, 2005, 11:53:32 PM »
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We had metal detectors, X-rays and searches at airports long before the WTC incident, or did everyone suddenly forget that?

It didn't work that day.

Does anyone believe that a similar plot using commercial airliners would be on the minds of a terrorist group now? Bad and ingenious people can find a way around todays precautions also, or simply find a softer, different target. We're spending a fortune and making everyone's lives miserable by searching the shoes of 80 year-old grandmothers.

Osama bin Laden and his cronies must still be laughing their butts off at how stupid and gullible we are.


If I had to choose between two evils (random searches or profiling) I'd take profiling. Leave the grandmothers, familes on the way to visit grandma, Boy Scout and softball teams, haggard business people with families and mortgages alone, and focus on the common elements of the UK and WTC participants.

They are single or living away from their wives, they are recent immigrants or non-native visitors with no visible means of support or long-term jobs, of Arab descent and muslim. Those are the common characteristics and to deny that is lunacy and not very good security or police work.

Victim: "Help! I've been beaten and robbed!"

Police Officer: "Can you describe the assailant?"

Victim: "I can, but it is not politically correct and a violation of his human rights and constutionally guaranteed liberties."


Rolex, you are usally one of the more intelligent posters on this board.

Unfortunately, this is probably your dumbest post ever.

You say that the X-Ray scanners and other security measures like, random shoe checks are a waste because the bad guys will find another way.

Well, lets say all these wateful search methods were done way with tommorow. No more X-rays, no more bomb scans for luggage, no more bag to passenger maches, no more sahoe searches.

What would stop them from just putting a C4 charge in dozen suitcases or a dozen suicide bomber passengers like Johhny Walker Lindh and blowing up 12 airliners in a guarnteed successful attack since they knew none of the bags or people were to be searched in any way - because Rolex told them all those were wasteful because the terrorists will find another way.
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« Reply #92 on: August 08, 2005, 01:29:45 AM »
Naw, you misunderstood. I never mean't we should stop searches or x-rays of check-in or carry-on luggage. I think we've put too many people and too many resources to checking the wrong people, like Grandma's shoes, instead of distributing some resources to other locations.

A few months ago, I stood in line at the airport in Guam for 2.5 hours while I watched a dweeb check every suitcase of every teenage girl and attractive young woman. He never checked the suitcase of one man or woman over the age of about 25. He would pull out their underwear and hold it up, then leer at them and grin and fondle their stuff. It was disgusting and a waste of time and energy while hundreds of travelers had to wait for hours while biting our lips. That isn't security, its nonsense. ;)

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« Reply #93 on: August 08, 2005, 08:41:39 AM »
sandie said..

"Let's be honest. Do you believe that the increase in security and all the hassles that come with it are part of the reason the airlines are going bankrupt?"

To be honest... I used to like to fly... now... I will do about anything to avoid it.  Short trips (1000 miles or less)I don't even consider it.   It is like being in some fascist or third world dictatorship..

Mav got it right... soon there will be roadblocks and people pulled out of their cars at night and searched.   We need to stop this crap..

Rolex... I agree...the guys who did the 9/11 damage did it with relatively harmless boxcutters.   A sky marshall would have taken em out... if the pilots had security doors and guns there would have been no problem... Hell... if we had done nothing at all and boxcutter still got on board... no one would have ever turned over a plane to boxcutter weilding thugs ever again anyway... The only things needed to be done was to bring the marshalls back and beef up the doors and arm the pilots.

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