Author Topic: What day did Rusia Declare war against Japan?  (Read 715 times)

Offline Raider179

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What day did Rusia Declare war against Japan?
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2005, 12:50:07 AM »
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The Japanese made an offer of surrender as long as the Emperor could remain in power. It was rejected obviously because the Soviets declared war on Japan.

Even after the bomb was dropped the Japanese made this same offer directly to the Western allies and it was rejected. It was even implied by the US that the Emperor might stand trial for war crimes and if found guilty maybe even executed.

MacArthur intervened when he heard of this stating that to the Japanese executing their emperor would be like crucifying Christ.

Finally the the allies backed down from that position and excepted surrender with the Emperor still holding his position.

Why did Japan give up? Many reasons but at least some in the government were looking for a way out for some time.


I have to differ on the on fact with the emperor. My understanding is that at Yatla it had been decided about the timing of Russian entry into the war with Japan. U.S. offered a surrender to Japan  that included the fact that the emperor "might be tried and executed" and it was rejected by the Japenese. After the bombs got dropped and The Soviet Union joined the war, the same terms were agreed upon, unconditional surrender, but the emperor would not be tried of war crimes or any other criminal charge. Japenese didnt make the offer, they accepted ours.

True on the mcarthur story.

You can look up the japense council decisions during that time and you will see they were very divided on whether to surrender. Ultimately it was the emperor's decision.

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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2005, 12:52:01 AM »
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thanks woton, makes sense.

Russia was just looking out for its own best interest, as nations seem to want to do.


Russia and Japan fought 4 "engagements" in the first 20 years or so of the 20th century. Russia lost territory and found a way to get it back...

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What day did Rusia Declare war against Japan?
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2005, 01:52:09 AM »
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Russia and Japan fought 4 "engagements" in the first 20 years or so of the 20th century. Russia lost territory and found a way to get it back...


Oh...now I have to ask for source.

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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2005, 02:31:55 AM »
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Oh...now I have to ask for source.


No problem, how bout I give you the engagements and you go check em yourself. 1904/05 Japenese-russian war, invasion of eastern siberia following the boshevik revolution1917-1922, summer 1939 clash between the Soviet union and Japenese along Mongolian-Chinese border at Khalkin Gol, and of course WW2.

4 times....

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What day did Rusia Declare war against Japan?
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2005, 12:44:30 PM »
Errr... nm, I thought it was XXI, not just XX.

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What day did Rusia Declare war against Japan?
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2005, 12:54:57 PM »
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Ask yourself why we dropped  those nukes a couple days before the Russians joined the war....



Ok...

"Self....  why did we drop  those nukes a couple days before the Russians joined the war?"

I'll let you know when I answer.....  :p