The Fw 190A-5 fallout

[Charge]

Originally posted by Charge
A4
A8

F3
F8

(or a G model, MGs deleted)

D9

TA152

-C+

Hah, stupid me quoted myself

[1K3]

ahem, you're missing one

stick with the most representative (190)

A-3 (1942-43)
A-6 (1943-44) same as 190A-5 but lightened wing structure and MG FF is replaced with MG 151s
A-8 (1944-45)

F-3 (1943-44)
F-8 (1944-45)

D-9 (1945)
Ta-152 (1945)

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by 1K3

A-6 (1943-44) same as 190A-5 but lightened wing structure and MG FF is replaced with MG 151s

I think you will find that the A-6's wing was heavier.

[Krusty]

Why are you all debating 190s, anyways? They've alreay been done. They won't be revisited for some time!

Pyro said he didn't like the 190s, but when they were redone so was the flight model. Don't you remember the big changes right after they were updated? You can actually turn them now without instant snap-roll-stalling. It was a major change for all 190 pilots, and there were even quite a few posts on the forums here. I presume *THAT* is what Pyro changed.

So they're already been redone (sans the 152) and the FM has been changed for the better. Why are you listing your "hopefuls"? We're not gonna see any new 190s for a lnog long long time!

[Crumpp]

No reason for an A-9. The advantage would be minimal to say the most. They were relatively scarce and very late war. If they're rare and almost identical to a 190a8, just put the a8 in and have done with it!

Actually the FW190A9 begins showing up the Geschwaders as early as July '44.


Nice test flight on Lufterrad 035 on that Shockwave sight.

All the best,

Crumpp

[Grits]

Originally posted by Krusty
Why are you all debating 190s, anyways? They've alreay been done. They won't be revisited for some time!

Pyro said he didn't like the 190s, but when they were redone so was the flight model. Don't you remember the big changes right after they were updated? You can actually turn them now without instant snap-roll-stalling. It was a major change for all 190 pilots, and there were even quite a few posts on the forums here. I presume *THAT* is what Pyro changed.

Krusty, the 190's were only updated graphicly, HT did not alter the flight model at all, its unchanged from before the graphic update. He told me that himself. Any changes percieved were purely placebo, and were not real.

What Pyro has said, and they have not gotten around to doing yet, is that the 190's flight models need some work, and that it was going to happen sooner or later, probably later.

[gripen]

Originally posted by Crumpp

Nice test flight on Lufterrad 035 on that Shockwave sight.

So you are saying that there was BMW 801D2s with 14 blade cooling fans?

gripen

[Crumpp]

Yes Gripen.

The BMW801D2 recieved the piston sleeves and valves of the BMW801D2V15 from the 1942 test's.  That TO is referenced on the Horsepower chart listed on shockwaves sight and found all over the internet.

The BMW801D2, TS, TU, and TH motors could all be found with the Luft 039, 035, and various combinations of props.  There are also fuel pump and exhaust changes to the BMW801D2 which also added performance to the FW-190A8.

Powerwise there is little difference between the BMW801TS-1 and the BMW801D2. In the 2nd gear supercharger of the BMW801D2, there is no difference in power output at all.

There are flight test's that go from this to quite a bit faster depending on the motor set up.

All the best,

Crumpp

[Krusty]

The 190s were changed. The way they stall was greatly enhanced, so they are no longer like in AH1. They flew horribly until they were redone. After being graphically redone they also received a FM redo, which made them the powerhouse that they are today. That is, before they were enhanced, they sucked and weren't popular. Now I see a lot of them.

[Grits]

I asked HT directly if the flight model's of the 190's were changed or was it as I suspected and it was all plecebo. He said they have not changed since AH1. HT said it so himself. Any change in the 190 you detect is purely your imagination.

[Fruda]

Originally posted by Grits
I asked HT directly if the flight model's of the 190's were changed or was it as I suspected and it was all plecebo. He said they have not changed since AH1. HT said it so himself. Any change in the 190 you detect is purely your imagination.

Uhh...

In AH1, I remember the 190's rolling much slower than they currently do. They also stalled more easily.

[Grits]

All I can tell you is the 190's were not changed when they did the graphic update or after that. At the time of the graphic update everyone thought they redid the flight model too, they were attributing all kinds of new traits to the 190's. I did not think they were changed (primarily because it was not listed in any release notes for any patches) and I asked HT to clarify it. When I asked HT if they were indeed changed, or it was as I suspected and it was all players imagination he said, "You are correct".

Seems clear enough to me.

There were some changes in the behavior of the 190's (all planes really) as a result of the move from AHI to AHII, but the specific details of the 190's flight model were not changed, it was a result of the global changes in AHII's flight model.

[Crumpp]

I think you will find that the A-6's wing was heavier.

I am traveling but when I get home in the next few days I will post the exact differences in weight (and why) according to the CG worksheets.

The advantage of the A6 is better armament and while some FW-190A5's benefited from BMW 801 design changes, all FW-190A6's benefited.  

For TOD the FW-190A3 could be used until late 1943.  The FW-190A6 would fill from late 1943 to mid-1944.

All the best,

Crumpp

[storch]

Originally posted by Fruda
Uhh...

In AH1, I remember the 190's rolling much slower than they currently do. They also stalled more easily.

it may be in all our imaginations but the 190 does play way better now than in AHI or the early AHII.

[Glasses]

The Dora in AHII got a female circumscition compared to AH1 . The thing can't run away from a Machi on  WEP.

Heck even a Zeke last time I flyed could keep up with you in a dive and remain there taking pot shots while you try to run away.

Defently the AHII 190s have some quialities that are better but overwhelmingly they have some of its better attributes from AHI taken away.