New Green Day Video

[lazs2]

you are correct... I don't know what they are talking about but I consider all opinions that deal with the social to be political.   You are the one who claimed that these people wouldn't like yeager...

My point is valid... Yeager doesn't care if they would like him or not or even if they have different social views than he does... he isn't listening to them for their airhead views.   and...

I have heard greenday and they are political and they are idiots..  that doesn't make their music any better or worse.   The entire point is not about content of the performers beliefs but about that fact that a person can enjoy (or not) based on the talent .

you are the one who is "something else"

lazs

[Nash]

Well ya know what... I regret what I said about Wilco and Yeager. There was something particularly funny to me about that revelation - but it doesn't mean I should have said anything.

I'm still trying to get my head around it - because it never really occured to me - or I haven't toyed with the idea - that pretty much everything that people like you watches, reads, or listens to... was created by people who you simply can't tolerate. It's obviously something you've grow accustomed to dealing with (call it a coping strategy - lest you spend your days in a dark room with the curtains drawn), as you're saying here. It's new to me and again, I regret my reaction to it.

I just don't know what that would be like.

[Skydancer]

Ok forget the politics for a moment that new Green day Album is good, if you like loud  punk style guitar music. If you like AOR and stuff like the eagles it quite probably does sound like crap to you. To me its a good album and I'm bordering on the old!

Actualy its an interesting thought that my parents generation in their 60s now, go to Rock and Roll reunion weekends and such like.

When I'm that age will my generation be  going to Punk reunion weekends? Its an odd thought lots of over 60's with ( in my case as its going fast! ) stick on Mohecans and safety pinned trousers! Amusing to think of realy!  

[lazs2]

nash... No more than me trying to wrap my mind around the fact that there are people out there who can't enjoy music for the music...or movies for the movie... that you have to agree with the artists ideas on the world.  

I admit that some artists are so far out there that I can't even get behind their talent because their message is so bizzare but usually... I just figure that they are joung or inexperianced and.... combined with talent and... yep... inteligence... they get over exuberant...  I kinda feel sorry for em that they follow the fads so much and don't think for themselves.

Truth is... I have never seen anyone... artist or otherwise that I agreed 100% with... I don't have to in order to enjoy their talent or company...

you need to lighten up...  It isn't that important to be hip and current.

lazs

[Nash]

It aint something that's bringing me down, nor am I concerned about it. Like I said - it never even occured to me until just now. But it's interesting to think on... which I'm going to do. So if you'll please excuse me....

[lazs2]

seriously... do you think that when people cheer an artist they are cheering his talent or his belief system?

I believe some are cheering the former and some the latter and a few a combination of the two.

I think that my proof would be that when an artist starts believing that it is his political and social beliefs that are making him a star... when he get's more and more outspoken... his popularity often takes a dive.   People just don't want to be bothered with all that or... they dissagree with the artist and if their face is rubbed in it enough they just wander off and find someone else less intense or more like themselves.

Sometimes the talent is really marginal and the message really abhorent... take rap for instance... lack of talent combined with abhorent message and of course... tediousness and lack of imagination, make rap not even worth giving a chance.   Modern black comedy tends to fall into that group too...   Only those who are fervently into the message can stomach the lack of talent..


least... that's how I have allways seen it.

lazs

[Urchin]

Oh Nash... I read in the paper today that Bush has already met with that lady... he met with the lady a little while after her son was killed last year.  

He said he didn't want to meet with her again because it was obvious what her views were.  That is according to the paper anyway.

[Yeager]

Nash,

I just like music when its good.  I like playing music when it makes me feel good.  I didn't mean to imply that your music was not good, it was.....I just wasn't moved by it on a musical level (of course it was just one sample).  I heard your voice and I know you were saying things but for some reason the words just blew right past me, I was listening to your voice, the quality and way you managed your voice.  Its just me and the way I listen to music.  I hear tones and rythems, melodies and harmonies but I rarely ever clue in on the words as a matter of dialogue.

Im listening to "Being There" atm and I really like some of that music.  The bassist is good, real good what with the way he plys his notes into the music but I wish he would come out a bit more in the mix.

[Nash]

Fair enough Yeager, and my apologies for saying what I did.


Well, first of all, we'll put together a force structure who meets the threats on the ground.


Lazs, already moving to your oft repeated dislike of rap and "modern black comedy?" That really didn't take long, so I suspect we'll be hearing about your views on guns and European barbarians shortly. You'll understand if I opt out.


And we've got a lot of forces there, ourselves. And as I said yesterday, anybody who wants to harm American troops will be found and brought to justice.


Urchin, I gotta say I'm not too up on the Sheehan story, but I did know about the previous meeting. Apparently she's got a few more questions since then. To me, she's a grieving mother who's a bit presumptuous thinking she can just demand that the President see her, but she's sincere and has obviously struck a nerve with the rest of the country.


There are some who feel like that if they attack us that we may decide to leave prematurely.


It's really not much to me... but I mentioned it in the context of the overall lack of any meaningful public opposition to the war previously, as compared to the recent plummeting of support (38% now), Green Day's video (which you can call anti-recruitment), and then Sheehan's little camping odyssey.


They don't understand what they're talking about, if that's the case.


You're obviously interested in the Sheehan angle, but I really don't know what to say about it. The fact is that Bush could have diffused the situation very early by bringing her in, hearing her out, and seeing her off. But really, Bush's decision making ability has left me continually just so completely.... dumbfounded..... that another spectacle like this becomes less a thing to focus on than just one more example of his utter incompetence.


Let me finish. There are some who feel like -- that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring them on.


Now watch this drive....

Jerk.

[Nash]

What is with people typing a response, me responding to it, then deleting their response - forcing me to delete mine?

Stop it!

[Urchin]

I don't disagree with you Nash.  I think Bush is a very good man, but a very bad president, if that makes any sense.  

And I'm probably falling into blaming the President for stuff that really isn't his fault (gas prices, skyrocketing prices of.. well.. everything), but I can't help myself for doing that.  When one party controlled the Congress and the other party the Presidency, you can blame it on "partisanship"... but when one party controls everything you kind of have to wonder if they like the direction the country is going in.

As far as the Sheehan thing, I think she is simply being unrealistic.  She is a very unimportant person, the President is a very important person.  Her son was a an unimportant person who sacrificed his life for his country.  That doesn't make him or his relatives important enough for the President to take time out of his day to talk with them.  I'm not saying that is right, I'm simply saying that that is the way it is.  

The lady would most likely be in the same situation if anyone else were the President, so I can't really say Bush is any worse than most.

[Nash]

I appreciate your candor, Urchin.

Me? I've BS'd myself into numerous jobs. You know how it goes. It's summer, you're in highschool, the chicks are fairly demanding, and when it comes to an interview you can pretty much do it all.

But everyone has their limits. Fewer of us know what they are. For Bush to even presume to run for office is as telling about that man's character as his evident ability to do the job. If it weren't for..... hell.... a myriad of things.... that man would be still be stuck bankrupting one business after another.

Yeah... he and I would under any other circumstance probably get along. But now I'd say to him "What the hell were you even thinking?!" It blows my mind why someone like that could even think he had the bwana to run for the President of the United States.

Doofus.

Sheehan - yeah... We see eye to eye on that. She's distraught, and there are many tens of thousands of distraught people right about now. She aint special.

But the optics..... It's become something.

[GRUNHERZ]

Nash:


"The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son’s good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect."

Sincerely,

Casey Sheehan’s grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.

[Nash]

That's the sister of her husband talking.

Her husband, along with the rest of her immediate family, supports her.

Besides.... Tell me Grun.

Do your cousins speak for you?

Do you run your thoughts past your uncles for approval?

No? Then just what in the world did you just type have anything to do with anything?

[Eagler]

pictures are very poor taste nash - very Michael Moore-ish