Originally posted by Mini D
Science doesn't say anything. People do.
You need faith to take "sceintific" discoveries at value. Saying it requires no faith whatsoever is quite humorous.
Science will let you down. It will do so time after time, but you'll still have faith in it. You have faith in it every time you buy medication, every time you fertilize your lawn, every time you do anything. You just pretend it's fact because you don't realize just how little people (including scientists) know about those things.
The number of scientific discoveries that have been disproven by science greatly outweigh the number of real discoveries regarding our origin. The number of errors and false interpretations will continue to grow and people will continue to insist that they weren't really wrong to believe the old things because that was the smart thing to do.
The very fact that people, right here, right now, fail to concept the complexity of life and think that science has demonstrated that magically this all happened as a matter of coincidence are people that aren't using logic.
I grew up being taught creationism. To date, there hasn't been a scientific discovery that fundamentally disproves it. I've seen nothing from science that can explain the presence of the spleen in the human body nor the advanced digestive system of birds. I've seen nothing from science that can explain how so many vastly different types of life exist. The survival of the fittest would actually spell the extinction of life, not the evolution of it. That is what is fundamentally misunderstood by so many. I like the phrase "reverse evolution" alot better.
Science doesnt let me down. Flawed people using the system of religion to take advantage of their fellow man lets me down.
You absolutely "do not need faith" for science. Have you ever heard of the Scientific Method. Perhaps a refresher is in order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory"The process of accepting theories, or of extending existing theory, is part of the scientific method."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_methodScientific methods or processes are considered fundamental to the scientific investigation and acquisition of new knowledge based upon physical evidence. Scientists use observations, hypotheses and deductions to propose explanations for natural phenomena in the form of theories. Predictions from these theories are tested by experiment. Any theory which is cogent enough to make predictions can then be tested reproducibly in this way. The method is commonly taken as the underlying logic of scientific practice. A scientific method is essentially an extremely cautious means of building a supportable, evidence-based understanding of our natural world.
See the part about "Predictions from these theories are TESTED by experiment". Care to show me where ID has that process? Or creationism? How about their "physical evidence". They have none and thus they are not science and calling them theories or even relating them to science is not only false its a mockery of what science is.
Also, Science has several theories about the origin of life. It is religion that is unable to change its views, even when new information comes to light.
As for the spleen and the birds digestive system, upon what are you basing them being supernaturrally complex or unexplainable?
Your "survival of the fittest" line is almost too much. lol Yes lots of species have went extinct because they were not "the fittest". The "fittest" are called that because they survive and do not go extinct even under the most dire cirumstances. But it also causes evolution of the species that do survive to adapt to the new and changing enviroments/food/etc...
In other words evolution and extinction can both occur from the "survival of the fittest".
