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Offline StSanta

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« on: December 17, 2001, 04:24:00 AM »
About fear: I've noticed that as I'm growing older, I'm becoming more and more careful. In my early teens, I'd routinely dive wrecks without the proper backup equipment and penetrate the wreck in such a way that should I have a catastrophic gas failure, I'd be SOL.

Nowadays, I don't even think about it, because it's too damned scary. I ain't even penetrating wrecks til I get more equipment and training.

It's not just things that are potentially lethal. When I was 18-19 and rock climbing, I'd throw myself at the tiniest grip, confident that if I didn't make it, at least I wouldn't be beat up too bad by the fall. On several occasions I did take a good beating, but it never discouraged me from trying again.

Now, I think it over *really* good, weight my chances, and also *consider the consequences*. toejam. If I knew growing up would be like this, I'd never done it.

I suspect others have had similar experiences. To me, it is yet another proof of the remarkable way nature has constructed the human animal - around a certain age (+- some years for environment), human males are supposed to be risktakers to secure they get some offspring. Once they got those offspring however, their main task is staying alive to ensure the propogation of their genes.

Overly simplified, but it illustrates the idea.

I need to get back to my old me though. Was WAY much more fun to do potentially dangerous things when you were just about absolutely certain that you wouldn't be seriously hurt or killed doing them.

Growing up sucks.

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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2001, 04:34:00 AM »
Hehe, StSanta.  I think you've hit on the real challenge in life: watching yourself grow old, and coming face to face with your mortality.  You may be able to take a chance when diving a wreck, or make that next grip, but you will never escape death.  No one ever does. So, drink deeply of Life, conduct it as best you can, and relish every waking moment  :)
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2001, 04:54:00 AM »
Heh, leonid. Am not doing terribly well with the aging thing. Am gonna turn 27 this summer.

Soon, much of the "potential" (read: dreams) will be very hard to realize. A few years more, and the chicks I can get will be more wrinkled than a Russian crackpotato crossed with a bloodhound.

I gotta realize my potential NOW. But, to do that, I need an education, and money. To get that, I need to basically do nothing but study, and have no money. But if I do that, I get even older before I can do the stuff I want, and then I might just miss my opportunity!

Am also, for the first time in my life, seeing small traces of fat that isn't strictly necessary on my body. I don't recover from hangovers quite as well, and am finding it less fun to jump in pools of water.

Ah, and soon, I'll be in the disease soon too. Hell, my body is already starting to deteriorate. Awareness of death has become an almost constant companion, but I attribute that to the shock value of not only realizing but also accepting that I'm immortal.

Oh, and age of insanity is creeping up too. Sometimes, I can feel myself pulled into very destructive, naughty thoughts that aren't very sane at all, but feel devilishly good to have.

One night stands aren't as much fun as they used to be. The thrill of the hunt is almost entirely gone, yet there is a strong sense that remaining single is probably more healthy mentally. Getting involved in a relationship would result in mental anguish - and being tied up, the very thing I want to avoid. So, that one is a no win too - cannot keep on doing what I've done until now, coz it ain't fun anymore, and cannot take the next step, because that'd limit the potential.

Besides, if you get together, or married even, with this chick - how can you keep the dream of "the perfect one" alive - even if you know it's an utter illusion?

I don't expect to live to be 75. Grandfather died just over 55 from a bad heart, and my father is at that age also struggling with heart problems. I still have a bad habit of doing impulsive things (and I hope this will reamin with me til I die).

I've lived half my life now, if I've inherited the bad heart condition thing. Half my life. The mere thought sends shrieks of terror through my body. My decaying body.

Your advice is succint and well put, and exactly what I have in mind doing. But it is the age old question of freedom vs security - if I take the liberty to do those things which add so much value to life, the very same things might take away life.

I must not become anymore careful than I am now. I must not cave in and trade experiences for security. Atheists have one shot at life, and we better make the damned best we can outta it. Man. I wish I was a theist and had the whole eternal life thing going.

Need to get experience on the market as well, so I can get hired. Must get funds so I can study the last year in the US, and thus have a good opportunity to make money. Must emigrate, or stagnate, falter and fail. But is the US the right place? I want a special kind of people around me - quite like the chaps on this BB - well educated, utterly relaxed, people who do not take themselves too seriously and aren't too interested in money for the sake of status. The impression I have of the US is that in general, the status thing is very important, as is putting yourself in a good light, always. Cannot do that, I just need to chill a lot, and call the BS when I see it. Hm.

LOL, getting carried away here. Ehm, abck to topic: how have you guys experienced fear changed with age, and how do you deal with aging?

Leonid: excellent advice  :).

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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2001, 05:28:00 AM »
Same problems here  :(

Got really scared in the mountains, in the same place where I jumped like a goat 8 years ago with a 30+ kg "framed" backpack wearing soldier's kersey boots. Looked like I finaly realised that one slip can result in a broken leg, and we are 50km and 3 mountain ridges away from nearest human dwelling... I always hated "enrockments", but this time I had good boots, comfortable balanced backpack etc.

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2001, 07:52:00 AM »
Interesting subject.  My point of view comes from the knowlege that I have a very short time to live on God's earth.  You must live each day to it's fullest.  You must learn something new each day to grow in wisdom.  Each of us has such a short time in life and our free will will sometimes color our better judgement.  However, we each learn to live with our mistakes and pick up and carry on.  Basicly, you must live and experience  the good and the bad in order to appreciate your own life.  And yes, it is your unique life!!  Noone else can live it for you. You are responsible to make your life the best that it can be.  Only you have the power to be the best that you can be.  Don't linger in one place mentally too long or you will become trapped forever.  You must continullly move forward in all aspects of your life :)

Now I have to appreciate the good days and just live through the bad ones.  I look forward to more good days then bad ones too.

Also, look at those around you a little closer then you have in the past.  There are alot of people that touch your life that you currently under appreciate.  It's been an eye opening experience for me since the cancer has taken affect.  The people that touch our lives are very important even if it doesn't seem so at the moment!!

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2001, 07:53:00 AM »
Same here Santa!

Growing up a "wild thing", was great, and doing handsomehunked things on motorbikes a matter of testosterone induced macho pride.

But a couple of years demolition work cured me: Doing it for laughs is great, doing it at 06:30 on a dark and rainy november morning with a hang over and a cold sweat because for once you *don't* want to do it but have to anyway completly changes your perspective... That's how we get old   :)

On the other hand, the challeges become more interlectual..the fights more cerebral. At 19, you do your best to intimidate peers into compliance, at 38 you merely take command of them, a fine but significant difference (if you can get away with it  :) )

After all, there's a fairly sound reason the forces want thier grunts at around 19 years old, and their Generals at 50.

And it's not just because chicks dig older men  :)

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2001, 07:54:00 AM »
Hey, Santa... just wait till your manly mane of hair starts falling out! You think you feel bad NOW?  :D

I'm not going to go all philosophical on you... but I'll toss this out.

I turned 50 this year and I'm still having a blast. I enjoy the living sh*t out of my job, 18-year-old-Macallan still tastes great, the sight of a young Lab learning to work pheasants as one of my sons directs him still makes me smile and I still love my wife of <gasp> 26+ years.

Yeah, I'm balder and heavier than I was 30 years ago. So what?

Life's a circle; Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter. I'm absolutely having a blast this "Fall".   :D

My dad's in Winter by anyone's yardstick. Know what he wants for his 81st birthday in two weeks? He wants to go up in the PT-26, do a little acro and shoot a few landings. He's damn good at it still. Sounds like he's still enjoying the season.

My advice? Relax and enjoy the ride. It's different as you age but it's not necessarily worse. Live the journey!
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2001, 08:19:00 AM »
hmm last saturday in a restaurant a lady came to talk to me and after we danced a little she asked if I would like to spent some time with her... I said I'm not interested...
Guess I'm getting old too   :confused:

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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2001, 08:26:00 AM »
I think you are not realizing that the 'bravery/reckless abandon of youth' and absolute stupidity with a touch of blind luck are the same thing.  It’s not that I was any braver when I was younger I just didn't stop to do the math.  I do just as much now as I did then, I just have seen more failures and am conscious of the risks, and I put factors in to compensate (radio to call for help, let people know where I’ll be, emergency/safety supplies)

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2001, 09:16:00 AM »
I remember when I realized "that some day you actually gonna die",,,,,,that thought
really scared the toejam out of me,,,,,,,,,,it still does  :D

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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2001, 09:28:00 AM »
"she asked if I would like to spent some time with her... I said I'm not interested..."

 A year ago I'd have jumped all over that statement ;)  I must be getting slower and less confrontational these days  :)

 FWIW I used to have that sense of invincibility. The first thing to change was a fear of heights. As in before I never had any and now I freeze up on a ladder abover 20 feet above the ground.  Hell. when I was 19 and in the US navy as an electronics technician we had to do our own antenna repair work way up on the mast and yrardarms. We were supposed to go through a lengthy and time consuming process in geting special permissions signed off as well as don a lot of safety gear. However to avoid having a ten minute turn into a two hour ordeal I used to stand at the base of the tower, look both ways and zip up there (50-100 feet up) and do the job.  

 Now it's a monumental effort to get above the gutters edge just two stories up let off the lader and on the roof to check the chimney cap  

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2001, 09:33:00 AM »
Yes Santa, you are so right about the diving thing. I also take more precautions when flying.

I see it this way: use the fear to your advantage, but dont let it overcome you. If you have the discipline to know that some things that may be dangerous but still do-able and not foolish, then you are OK. But if your refuse to do such things, then you are betraying your true nature.

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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2001, 10:29:00 AM »
I gave up flying everyday in the Army at age 24 because I felt like I had used up all my luck. It was no longer fun for me and I actually started to get anxious about it before every flight. This was after a few mishaps...not sure if it was age or what.

Nowadays I've realized I'm no longer the 18 year old rubber boy who can bounce back from anything, but it's all good. I'm enjoying life more now than I did then. I'm a good father, husband, and son...that's what's important. Someday I will die, but I'll leave behind people whose lives I've had an impact on. It's up to me to make sure that impact is a good one.

You start out life with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2001, 10:44:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Animal:
I see it this way: use the fear to your advantage, but dont let it overcome you. If you have the discipline to know that some things that may be dangerous but still do-able and not foolish, then you are OK. But if your refuse to do such things, then you are betraying your true nature.

Exactly my philosophy.  No regrets.  Experience all that you can experience just for.. well.. the experience   :).  Get a taste of everything you can in life, that way you can relate to many different situations.  By doing this, I believe you can step back from the big picture and examine yourself..  see whats wrong, whats right, and improve upon yourself as a person and a whole.

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2001, 10:56:00 AM »
Santa,


the only thing I can tell ya is:  Fer shreck's sake quit worrying and go out there and enjoy yourself.  If ya keep worrying about everything then you'll *be* old before you *are* old.

I'm 27, 28 in 15 days.  Which makes me slightly older than you......and I consider myself in the prime of life.  I'll continue to think that until I'm waaaaay past 40.  Just because 1 night stands, clubbing til 5am, getting rat arsed and falling down the stairs in the cells doesnt hold any attraction any more doesnt mean I'm getting old.  It just means I'm maturing.


I still play silly computer games every day (well that's how Jenga describes it anyway), I still ride a real fast motorbike like a maniac every day (usually cos I'm gonna be late for work)......but I'm also starting to appreciate the slightly less manic stuff.

I actually got home from work at 8am the other morning, looked out of the window and realised I have the best view in Holland. 8am sunday morning, not a cloud in the sky, the world so quiet I could almost hear the ice crystals forming.   Would I have appreciated this quite as much 10 years ago?  Prolly not.

Mellow out and enjoy life mate, we live in an astoundingly beautiful world, if you know where to look.

 

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