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Mighty1 · « **Reply #75 on:** August 23, 2005, 02:35:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
No I dont have it backwards. Dems might have beat themselves by not offering a viable candidate. Bush is not pulling off 1 thing in Iraq, except getting Saddam. Everything else has gone to #%). Terrorists/Insurgent attacks in Iraq have only gone up since the elections, Gas is higher than any other time except the embargo, Iraq will not be a democracy, it will be a theocracy, They are not getting freedom. The fact that we haven't won Iraq decisively will hurt us a lot more than leaving Saddam in power would have. (speculation)

I still don't see how Kerry withdrawing all the troops would have been any different than Bush doing it in Iraq next year. Iraq will be a Civil War either way so why waste more american lives??? We should have got saddam, left, let them fight it out, and then went in and told the new "leadership" how it was gonna be or we would put them in a cell next to Saddam.

Not accompished anything in Iraq?
So the elections don't count? The people of Iraq deciding what kind of country they will have doesn't count?

Also what does the price of oil have to do with Iraq? I don't remember anyone from the Whitehouse saying we were going to Iraq to lower gas prices.

I'm not even going to get into the rest of your rant because quite honestly I don't think even God using the worlds largest chalk board to draw you pictures could make you understand.

Hangtime · « **Reply #76 on:** August 23, 2005, 02:53:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Mighty1

I'm not even going to get into the rest of your rant because quite honestly I don't think even God using the worlds largest chalk board to draw you pictures could make you understand.

ROFL!

true dat.

DrDea · « **Reply #77 on:** August 23, 2005, 03:11:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts

Valerie Plame was outed during the Clinton administration by a spy, and was returned to the States for her own safety. At the time she was mentioned in the press, she drove to the CIA HQ every day in a Jag convertible (that's some deep cover for a CIA covert operative). The KGB knew who Plame was and what she did, as did most of the rest of the intelligence community, as far back as 1995. Plame was outed before Bush ran for President. I don't remember the name of the spy, but he's doing multiple life sentences, and Plame was on his list BY NAME as an active operative he outed to the Russians.

edit: I've read that both Ames and Hanssen outed Plame, it took a few minutes for me to remember.

For someone covertly rideing a desk job for the 4 or 5 years prior to the Story getting national publicity,Id say it was a fortuitous time to bring a non issue up and play it to the choir.

Urchin · « **Reply #78 on:** August 23, 2005, 03:53:37 PM »

In my opinion the Republicans are the party of the rich. That is a good party to be, since even though most Americans aren't rich, ALL Americans want to be rich. So Republicans are popular for that simple reason.

Besides, it is much easier to rail about the evils of "welfare" than it is to explain the various kinds of "corporate welfare" that absolutely dwarf the amount of money "given" to poor people.

Raider179 · « **Reply #79 on:** August 23, 2005, 04:03:53 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
raider... how do you figure that an anarchist wouldn't vote? I would rather there was nothing to vote for but I live in a world of reality... I vote to stem the tide of big government socialism..Why is everything so black and white and one sided with you (to use your phrases) You seem to feel that if you are an anarchist that you have to be a total anarchist... if you vote republican then you have to be a republican but....

If you vote for tha loser, gun controling anti voucher womanly socialist big government psuedo science environmentalist tree hugger kerrie.... You are doing it because of the war in Iraq?

why can't we say that if you vote democrat that you believe in socialist government and are for massive gun control and bans?

No person in their right mind agrees with everything any political party bespouses but.... there are absolutely no ideals of the democratic party worth all the socialist control they dish out.

lazs

There is no black and white with Anarchy. You can't "kind of" be for no government. You either don't want government or you do. By voting you show me that you do want some form of government. Therefore you are not an anarchist.

an·ar·chy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nr-k)
n. pl. an·ar·chies
1. Absence of any form of political authority.
2. Political disorder and confusion.
3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.

Glad to know what you stand for now. You stand for nothing.

LMAO Lazs, the voting Anarchist. That is an oxy-moron. I thought I had seen it all. Anarchists are not a political party Lazs, they are the lack there-of. Therefore THEY DONT VOTE!

Yep didnt vote so much for Kerry as I voted against Bush for the mess in Iraq and the lies about WMD.

You are no anarchist and the fact that you think you are is laughable.

Anarchists also do not have political views, which you have some very strong ones and they don't all involve destruction of the government. For example, when did anarchists get concerned with vouchers?

Raider179 · « **Reply #80 on:** August 23, 2005, 04:08:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Mighty1
Not accompished anything in Iraq?
So the elections don't count? The people of Iraq deciding what kind of country they will have doesn't count?

Also what does the price of oil have to do with Iraq? I don't remember anyone from the Whitehouse saying we were going to Iraq to lower gas prices.

I'm not even going to get into the rest of your rant because quite honestly I don't think even God using the worlds largest chalk board to draw you pictures could make you understand.

Elections won't mean a damn thing when a civil war breaks out. Iraq deciding they want a theocracy, is not what we were told or what is still being spoon fed to us. THey are going to be Fundamentalist Islamics or they are going to have a civil war, either way I see it as a failure on our part and theirs.

You think oil had nothing to do with Iraq? Yeah God needs a chalkboard alright. but for you.

You wont go into the rest of my rant because you cant.

By all means have at it. But I see for you its easier to say someone is wrong and walk away than to explain how they are wrong. Ohhh you showed me.

Silat · « **Reply #81 on:** August 23, 2005, 04:12:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
There's a really good book that describes the phenominon that Mighty1 is referring to. It's call "South Park Conservatives : The Revolt Against Liberal Media Bias "

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895260190/qid=1124726429/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-2938095-8590250?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

it's supposed to be an easy read and very "entertaining"

It's a basic premis that alot of people think: "I hate conservatives, but I REALLY fluff'n hate liberals"

It goes along with the chocolate sprinkles comment made earlier.

Try : "What's the matter with Kansas? How the conservatives won the heart of American"
by Thomas Frank
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805073396/102-4738328-5282551?v=glance

Tells the otherside of the coin. Tells why the conservatives are not after our best interests and have the mainstream republican hoodwinked.

"Drunk on tax cuts, favors for corporations and above all else, their undying lust for the culture wars most of us lost interest in years ago, conservatives have driven Middle America into a ditch."

VOR · « **Reply #82 on:** August 23, 2005, 04:35:33 PM »

Raider...actually, he's right but for the wrong reasons.

SkyWolf · « **Reply #83 on:** August 23, 2005, 06:31:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Clinton was so concerned with Bin Laden that when he was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter, he declined. I know of at least one incident where covert ops forces could have taken out Bin Laden but Clinton declined. Bin Laden should have been dead before Bush ran for President, nevermind was elected.

You need to remember that before 9/11 it was unthinkable, to BOTH parties, to go around asassinating people or attacking other countries.
Different time... different mindset. Comparisons are not apples to apples.

SkyWolf · « **Reply #84 on:** August 23, 2005, 06:40:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Mighty1
Not accompished anything in Iraq?
So the elections don't count? The people of Iraq deciding what kind of country they will have doesn't count?

No.. it doesn't. I hasn't accomplished, nor will it accomplish, a thing. The Middle East is, for the most part, an extremist poop hole and they will continue to do what they have done for years.

Also what does the price of oil have to do with Iraq? I don't remember anyone from the Whitehouse saying we were going to Iraq to lower gas prices.

No... going to war for oil doesn't mean you get lower gas prices. No one gives a poop about you. It means companies with "connections" get contracts to "help" with the removal of oil from the ground. These companies make lots of money. You don't.

Nash · « **Reply #85 on:** August 23, 2005, 07:09:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
LMAO Lazs, the voting Anarchist. That is an oxy-moron. I thought I had seen it all.

Actually, it's Lazs the Voting Anarachist Whose Paychecks are Signed by the Government.

A small clarification, but an amusing one nonetheless.

Raider179 · « **Reply #86 on:** August 23, 2005, 08:00:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Actually, it's Lazs the Voting Anarachist Whose Paychecks are Signed by the Government.

A small clarification, but an amusing one nonetheless.

LMAO your kidding me.... He is employed by the feds? Lazs you are one mystery after another. lo Thats sig material if I have ever seen it lol

Wolf14 · « **Reply #87 on:** August 23, 2005, 08:00:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
Why does every issue come down to guns with you?

Not to answer for Laz but that is really one of those questions that if it has to be explained alot of folks wont understand.

For me its a privelage and a way of life. Some people just dont get that its that way for alot of people. The Liberals are wanting to take that away every waking moment of their life.

Raider179 · « **Reply #88 on:** August 23, 2005, 08:13:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Wolf14
Not to answer for Laz but that is really one of those questions that if it has to be explained alot of folks wont understand.

For me its a privelage and a way of life. Some people just dont get that its that way for alot of people. The Liberals are wanting to take that away every waking moment of their life.

yeah but any thread usually comes down to it with him. Vouchers, liberals, republicans, Iraq, whatever.

It doesn't have to be explained, its plainly clear he is paranoid beyond belief. Guns are not leaving this country, There are WAY WAY too many of them. Relax and take a deep breath and worry about bigger issues.

Wolf14 · « **Reply #89 on:** August 23, 2005, 08:21:47 PM »

Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Give them nothing and we will lose nothing.

I dont think Laz is paranoid at all. The big issues are little issues that will work out in the wash. Guns are a big issues and one that is under constant preasure to be taken out of the hands of the law-abiding folks of this nation.