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Offline Lizard3

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2005, 02:35:37 AM »
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Drop Spanish and if you ever want to go to college, they'll probably make you take it as a remedial course.  Then you'll be sitting in a room full of 400 other people taking remedial spanish from a grad student who couldn't care less about expectations or how quickly you flunk out.

Quitting is easy.  So easy, it's habit forming.  Start now, and 30 yrs from now you'll be sitting in your singlewide wondering why you ever tried to finish anything.


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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2005, 03:04:15 AM »
nirvana--

Store these posts.  Put them in a letter or something and don't touch it for ten years.  Read those posts you made once you're 25.  You might not disagree with what you previously wrote, but you WILL get a laugh out of it for the same reason that most of us are getting a good-natured laugh out of it.

What you wrote may not necessarily be wrong, but that stuff is the least of your problems.  


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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2005, 04:02:41 AM »
I had some similar issues at school. One of them got to the point where I attended the classes but totally ignored the teacher (and laid several complaints about him). I studied under my own steam and passed well, while the rest of the class suffered and overall failed.

Lessons to be learn't, the school system is not infalable. However, that doesn't give you an excuse to stop learning. What you do know lays the groundwork for the rest of your life. If you are dissatisfied, complain to the top, complain loud enough so they won't harass you if you do as I did.

Just don't waste time being bitter or stressing out. I often think teachers are those people who can't hold a real job. Its pretty harsh, and there is a bunch of really good teachers out there who don't fit this hole, but they are the minority.

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2005, 06:31:40 AM »
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Plus I don't plan on going to Mexico or any other spanish speaking country soon.  If you live in America, you speak English. Period.


Repeat after me: "Querra patatas fritas con su pedido?" :D

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2005, 06:44:06 AM »
As someone who has been in and out of education i believe if you don't want to learn you aren't going to learn.  I really couldn't be arsed when i was a teenager and couldn't care less about education- though luckily i'm naturally clever and got decent grades regardless of my 43% attendance.  I left when i was 17 and went back a couple of times but still didn't really care if i passed or failed.  I would get bored and eventually quit.

After a bit of travelling i decided to go enroll at college and do my a-levels for the purpose of joining the RAF- it gave me the drive and determination to study.  Maybe i got lucky but i got on with all of my lecturers (perhaps this is because i was more mature myself being 20) i had no trouble going up to them and asking Q's if i didn't understand something.

Well i passed this year but i've put my RAF plans on hold.  I really got into microbiology and had a great time at college so i'm off to uni in sept to  study for a degree in microbiology/virology.:)

Until you want to learn (academically) you wont leave with anything worth while from school.  On the bright side you can always go back at a later date, though i dunno how it works in the US, but in UK i only had to pay 30% of my fees so the option to go back was always there + i'm getting a 1k grant from the govt in sept (that's my beer money sorted for a couple of months):D

My advice would be to drop out and go back when you have the motivation.  Working in ****ty jobs for a couple of years will do that for some people.;)   For every person that makes a success of himself with no education there are at least 10 others who work all hours of the week, in a job they hate just to make ends meet- for the rest of their life.
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2005, 07:17:19 AM »
Someone's hormones are raging!  The emotions you are feeling--the agitation, stress, etc--are normal for your age.

If you can, stay in Spanish.  I am sure wishing I had taken Spanish back 25years ago when I had the chance.  You never know where you will end up.  I would have never expected that the company I would eventually work for (right here in the USA) would have as much invested in Latin America as it does.  Not to mention many of my co-workers are of Hispanic decent...being able to understand their language is an important part of understanding their culture and background...those are important when trying to build the working relationships needed to influence change.

Hang in there...

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2005, 07:30:51 AM »
This is coming from a guy that most would consider has way too much education... the purpose behind formal education is to teach you how to learn.  Sure, the spanish instructor is not your first pick on a team, but this *is* a team effort.  If you don't want to learn, he can't teach you.  Recognize an instructors purpose in life is for you to get new skills.  Their methods may be not the best, but if you approach the situation from a viewpoint of common goals, things will fall in place.  Of course if you don't want to learn, they why get flustered to begin with?  Flunking out is trivial.  

Regarding science and other teachers that are wrong... this is true!  Just because it is written in a textbook, or you read it on the internet doesn't make it so!  That is where understanding the concepts is critical.  Education, if taken from the right perspective, will enhance your ability to 'think for yourself'.  

Myself, I have always enjoyed learning and found instructors to be generally useful.   There are always courses you must 'grind' through, but doing a good job at something you don't like is a sign of maturity.  Of course, there is not a requirement that anyone become mature much like there is no law against stupidity.  Not everyone is smart about everything.  Often the best path is just do the best you can with what you have, accept it, and move on.


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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2005, 07:36:03 AM »
lol.   Mosgood and eagl beat me to it.

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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2005, 08:42:48 AM »
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I hate school.  I think expectations are filthy.  Honors classes and advanced placement classes suck, because they build even more expectations.  I don't expect to be told by my teachers to "try harder" and I won't if they tell me too.  I think teachers suck.  I think teachers have no right to stand in front of a class for 90 minutes and ask rhetorical questions.  I don't answer their questions.


 EXPECTATIONS SUCK!


LOL you would not do well in my house at all.
and I have only two main rules with my kids.

1-Lay off drugs (or I will commit you myself)

2- Bring me the grades. Grades are expected to and only allowed to go up  not down.
I like to use the Bogart quote "Excellence is standard, Standard is substandard, and substandard WILL NOT be tolerated.


Ask my kids and they will tell you I mean it. Bring me the grades and I will let you do almost anything you want and bust your chops about very little within reason.
But bring me the grades.

Dont bring me the grades or let your grades drop even from a A or B to a A or B - and you will not make me a happy camper.
Let them drop a full grade  and I can and will make life under R. Lee Ermey in  the movie Full Metal Jacket seem like fun. (Minus the physical abuse).

Complaints  or vents like yours would fall on deaf ears and only serve to raise my ire. Which is something you would very quickly figure out you dont want to do LOL

Yea school sucks but it sure beats out what comes afterwards.
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2005, 09:45:42 AM »
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Drop Spanish and if you ever want to go to college, they'll probably make you take it as a remedial course.  Then you'll be sitting in a room full of 400 other people taking remedial spanish from a grad student who couldn't care less about expectations or how quickly you flunk out.


Not 100% true. It depends on the school. UH exempted me from the Spanish pre-req because of a high SAT score & UIL team competition. Not something I'd rely on though.

Nirvana, no matter how much it sucks, you should still take a language. While I agree, in America, you should speak English, the fact is, alot of people you will have to deal with, simply don't. It's too useful not to have. If you think your Spanish teacher is a moron, you'd go on a rampage if you'd had mine. She gave us a German 4 test, and yelled at us when we pointed out it was a Spanish 2 class... I set the curve... with a 12... yes, out of 100... I dropped the class 1/2 way through. In Florida, my Spanish 1 teacher would have 'Nam flashbacks and dive under his desk. We had to take cover also. Kinda scary, but when the man with the gradebook thinks mortar rounds are incoming, humor him.

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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2005, 11:52:34 AM »
Nirvana,

Unfortunately, I went through my school years with a terrible attitude. I was kicked  out of my first school in the UK at the age of 4 and things didn't improve much after that. In elementary school, I was the self-appointed class clown and my school day followed pretty much the same schedule every day:

1) Arrive without homework (or with a few pages scribbled on the bus or cribbed from others)
2) Begin disrupting the class immediately
3) Get kicked out to stand in the hall
4) Read book brought from home in the hall, goof with anyone else passing through
5) Be reluctantly readmitted
6) Repeat step 2
7) Get detention
8) Get sent to the Principal's office
9) Hear lecture #4,405,433 (none of which was paid attention to)
10) Repeat step 4, except this time in the principals office
11) Bell Rings, go to detention

Whenever I returned home from school on time, my mother immediately suspected I had skipped detention, which was invariably the case.

Unfortunately, my High School career wasn't too terribly different, and my report cards didn't disappoint my parents, they made them extremely angry.

Had my mother not gone through the agonizing process of teaching me to read at age 3, I wouldn't have learned anything at all. As it is, my mathematics skills are at best rudimentary.

All of this was largely due to the fact that I firmly believed the following:

1) I was the smartest and most important individual on the planet and I already knew everything worth knowing.
2) My teachers were the stupidest and most contemptible people on the planet and knew nothing worth knowing.
3) School was an evil conspiracy designed to stop me from having fun, which I was determined to circumvent.
4) Rules were for the weak and less important
5) School was absolutely unnecessary, because once people learned how much smarter I was than them, they would be falling all over themselves to give me a high paying job.

It wasn't until University (which I got into because of my test scores, not my academic record which was appalling) that I began to find out that several of my assumptions might be flawed. This produced a rather nasty depression, which I attempted to counter via drugs, booze, and a generally depraved life-style. After I graduated from University, having squandered the opportunity to get a really excellent education, in favor of simply doing the bare minimum necessary to get my MA and indulge my self-destructive habits. I found that my generally crappy attitude and lifestyle not only didn't work in school, it also didn't work in the workplace and that they were quite willing to fire you rather than put up with antics.

It really wasn't until I became a Christian and began taking seminary classes part-time that I ever began studying or taking education seriously, at that point I could have wept at the time and opportunities I had wasted. I had been standing on the verge of vast treasurehouse for many years and had foolishly determined my time would be better spent frolicking in the cesspool.

Since that time, I've had to commit myself to reading and studying at twice the rate I would have otherwise. I wasted the opportunity to become a real scholar who might have been a benefit to others in the academic community, and instead will have to be content with being thoroughly mediocre when it comes to academia. Plus, my math skills are still pathetic, long division makes me sweat.

Please remember that in academia, no amount of natural talent or intelligence will entirely make up for a poor attitude towards study and education, the skills you can potentially aquire or fail to aquire now will have a lasting impact on your future life and work. Believe it or not, a failure to push yourself and endure "the stress" can result in life-long regrets. There are few sentences as sad as those that begin with  "I wish I had..."

On the other hand, cheerfully submitting to a process you will later realize wasn't nearly as difficult as you thought, really will bring life-long benefits to you, your family, you vocation, and potentially even the human race.

Persevere in this!

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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2005, 12:48:05 PM »
you know, i managed to graduate with fair marks (around C+ B- ish in american terms) and i didnt do much of anything the entire time, trick is to make sure your doing very few courses (minimum to grad) so the workload (HA, never was to much anyway) from the important classes never felt like much... oh, and dont go to more than 1 party a month.


oh and 1 inch textbooks are nothing. for grade 12 social i had a stack of books about 1 foot thick, luckily i never had to carry them all at once, but they was there.

lockers? didnt even use them for grade 11 and 12, managed to keep everything in 1 binder...

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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2005, 12:57:18 PM »
Nirvana. These guys are right but I got to hand you some respect. Most of the guys your age, I work with can hardly string two intelligable words together let alone type out a relatively coherant rant!!!

These are good days for you my freind. Try to enjoy em, they go fast. The rest of life can be great but you got to graft a bit too to make em so. And sometimes you got to swallow that pride a little and learn to listen to people who've been on this planet a tad longer and have already been through the same ole stuff you are going through.

Vent and then get on with it pal. You don't want to be flipping burgers all your life trust me.

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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2005, 01:03:09 PM »
Nirvana,

Others have already covered most of what went through my mind When I read your post. I just wanted to add something to what they said.

You mention that the teachers don't respect yo0u. Well respect is something that is earned. Unlike a lot of things in school that are just given to you because you showed up for class, respect is another issue. Like most adults your teacher is aware of and expects you to actually DO something worthy of respect to earn that respect. Being surly, closed minded, and too full of yourself doesn't get it done.

Of course you won't realize that until enough years have passed that you actually get some experiance and perspective in what the world is really like instead of the sheltered and pampered world you have been living in. There is freedomo to fail in this country once you are out of school. The penalty is NOT just a bad grade or being sent to your room. It can be fatal, hopefully just to yourself if that happens. Try not to take anyone else with you.
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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2005, 03:35:12 PM »
Skydancer has a good point - Vent and then press on.  That's great advice for your entire life.  I personally recommend sports but at this point in your school career if you haven't found a competitive sport you're good at, it may be tough to break into one.  But find something productive to get your mind off of school for a little while, preferably something involving physical activity.  Vent occasionally.  But press on and make it your goal to succeed at everything you do in spite of the bastards holding you back.

Want to beat that spanish teacher?  Then don't let him drive you out of the class.

FWIW, I burned out in 10th grade and took one too many advanced AP classes.  I got a 1.8 GPA.  That summer, I visited the USAF Academy and finally found something worth going for.  For the next 2 years, I took all "regular" classes except for 2 advanced computer classes and Calculus, got varsity letters in swimming and water polo after doing nothing but "club" competition through 10th grade, and forced myself down the path towards becoming a fighter pilot.  I got 3.8 GPAs my last 2 years in HS and put down a 1390 SAT score.  But at the end of 10th grade, I wasn't sure I'd ever be worth a damn at anything.  I wasn't ready to quit, but I sure wasn't doing very well at anything.
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