Author Topic: Mossie (AAR and question).... (Read 827 times)

humble · « **on:** August 25, 2005, 02:19:52 PM »

I havent been flying much over the last month or so but broke out my trusty -1 for a "dawn patrol" hop early this AM. I happend to be dumped near the bisquit HQ (AK's are flying niggits as of now). Since they're was enough "action" on the DAR I rolled where I was (Rooks won the "war" while I was up so maybe was a bad choice:))....

Anyway, we had Nikki's spitties and a 190 ovehead so I got caught up in the general melee...cleared 1 spitty of a fellow niggit and got bounced by the 2nd...forced the overshoot...sprayed a few at him and spitty #1 screamed on in (wingies)...went a few round robins till one of em locked on in....did the only sane thing and hit the emergency brakes:)....got the puppy down to 75 IAS and finally forced an overshoot (after getting dinged up a bit) and hosed him down as he egreesed (got kill a bit later)...cleaned up and scooted out of dodge while assessing damege...big hole in cockpit (20mm?) plus assorted tickles all over but just 1 wing fuel tank porked...got a warning on a mossie inbound (vox indicated he was a serious killer){later saw the "**** landed 5 kills} so they werent exagerating. Since I was up and way from our base I headed toward the nearest enemy base (A17 I think) and happened apon "MR Mossie" rolling back out.

Now this was nowhere near a "fair fight" [thank god]....

I rolled in on him and was pretty amazed at how agile the bird appears to be for something so big. It took me 2 or 3 pretty serious attacks (without landing a single hit to the best of my knowledge) to size him up...and if it wasnt for the awful roll rate and pitiful slow speed performance in the vertical I wouldnt have had the 4th (I think) pass. Finally went "all in" and left my gear and flaps down and caught him nuts on in his reverse....but if I hadnt of literally blown him up he's have had me dead to rights at 100 or so with my underwear hanging out:)....

Anyway I keep reading all the ENY and "this or that plane" is porked/should be perked etc....and once again its driven home to me just how little the "plane" matters compared to the meistro....

Don't blame the wand....its the conducter that counts.....

As for mossies....well I think I'll be careful around em for awhile:)

Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** August 25, 2005, 02:39:47 PM »

Mossies are a lot more of a fighter than most people make them out to be. They certainly aren't the best, but they are capable and all it takes is one moment's firing solution and they erase you.

At 40 ENY the Mosquito Mk VI ensures that there is always a capable multi-role fighter available.

humble · « **Reply #2 on:** August 25, 2005, 03:01:50 PM »

Sure suprised me how quickly he was able to crank it around. I dont think I landed a single 50 cal in either the 1st or 2nd pass on what I thought were pretty good attack profiles....he simply couldnt get back around on the reverse quick enough to get any type of a shot...but had I made the mistake of trying to saddle up or dumped to much E on either pass he'd of had me easily....its tough when you dont see a plane pushed normally...you dont have any real idea of what it can do in the right hands...

Aubrey · « **Reply #3 on:** August 25, 2005, 03:58:45 PM »

hehe I always get scared when I see a Mossie or A20 keeps me honest. I took them for an easy kill once and they cleaned my clock Bullz kick my rear in a heartbeat. I watch that fillm once in a while to remind myself of whata good driver can do.

Wind · « **Reply #4 on:** August 25, 2005, 07:34:04 PM »

What was the question, again?

W~

humble · « **Reply #5 on:** August 25, 2005, 08:03:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Wind
What was the question, again?

W~

Question is what are the real capabilities of a mossie as a "fighter"....I've always respected the front end of it. But never really viewed it as anything but lunch otherwise. Since I knew who the pilot was (at least 99% sure)...I was a bit more careful then I'd normally have been. Had I not it's questionable who'd have snacked on whom.....

Even so I ended up with a "T-Bone" snapshot vs the "Semi-tracking" shot I'd flown for. I've run into {translate to been hosed by} both this particular mossie driver and others....but cant remember a real "dog fight" with one.

thrila · « **Reply #6 on:** August 25, 2005, 09:08:38 PM »

heya humble, that was a nice little fight we had.

I reupped hoping for another but the map changed just as we got into icon range.

I would chat more but i've just come back from the pub + have to go to work early in the morning. I'll post more when i come home in the afternoon.

humble · « **Reply #7 on:** August 25, 2005, 09:55:24 PM »

It was a fun fight (not at all a fair one though). I kind of figured it had to be you since you didnt head for town ack or pull up into a vertical HO. Once you totally avoided the 1st pass I knew for sure.

Was very very nice flying....saw you throw out some lead in the vertical but noticed how quickly you tucked the back down. Basically it looked like you simply didnt have any E to play with at all....makes it awful tough if the other guy keeps it in the semi vertical....

I had to take care of the horses (we have 5) then head on out to work or I'd of looked for you again. Be a tough nut to crack in a co-e situation.

thanks again for a very entertaining encounter <~~>....~~

Karnak · « **Reply #8 on:** August 26, 2005, 10:44:30 AM »

Humble,

One of the secrets is how much fuel it is carrying at the time. The Mossie carries a max of 540 gallons internally, that is well over 3,000lbs of fuel. If it doesn't need to fly for 90 minutes (and who in the MA needs to do that?) the pilot should always take 50%, or 25% and DTs.

On 25% fuel I fought Eskimo's Bf109F-4 for over a minute I think (it is hard to calculate time in a fight, I am frankly poor at it.), with a lot of manuevering. He lit me on fire in the end, but it wasn't an autokill for his 109F-4 in a close dogfight.

As I said earlier, the Mossie is capable fighter, but far from the best. I think that many people play "goon" in it though. They get attacked and just give up, thinking the situation is hopeless. You can see a bit of this on the forums now and then when people make lists of fighters and bombers in the game and put the Mossie in the bomber category and the Bf110G-2 in the fighter category. The Mossie is, at minimum, as good a fighter (I think it is a better fighter) as the Bf110G-2. But people seem locked into "Mossie is an unarmed bomber that is helpless if attacked and can't run" mode.

Basically there are to modes I fight in when in a Mossie. I either play it safe and conserver my energy if I have a advantage in position and am fighting an aircraft that doesn't dominate it. If I am at a disadvantage I go ultra-agressive, using anything and everything I can think of to kill a fighter that has me at a disadvantage or is a fighter that does everything better as a fighter. The two hardest fighters for me to beat are the La-7 and Typhoon. The Bf109F-4 through Bf109G-10 and Fw190s are hard as well. N1K2's and Spitfires are comparitively easy as are P-51s, though P-51s should be in the same category as the La-7 and Typhoon.

humble · « **Reply #9 on:** August 26, 2005, 11:22:23 AM »

I've flown 4 hops in it since I posted....all in the attack mode [4 x 500lbers and 75% fuel]. The 1st hop I dropped my ord's (tough to bomb with so far) and got 4 kills still had 20 min flying time plus 400 or so 20mm so I headed over toward where a squadie was (elfie)....he was down in the weeds so I went in and ended up chasing nomde's p47N (mossie cant catch the N even with initial E adv)...got a 5th kill (not Nomde) and died in a HO....

I've found it to be an awesome E fighter....and obviously very deadly. I set the 20mm seperate from the .303's and can see how you can rack up some serious lumber with it.

Obviously its a big target and as you mentioned it lights up a bit to easily....but all in all is a suprisingly fun ride. I'll have to try it with 25% and DT's:)

Vad · « **Reply #10 on:** August 27, 2005, 01:14:16 AM »

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Originally posted by humble
... and died in a HO....

You died in HO being in Mossie?! Who was that super-puper monster who survived HO with Mossie?
Little falsehood makes bs everything else.

humble · « **Reply #11 on:** August 27, 2005, 02:47:20 AM »

LOL....

I dont have the time or reason to BS, it was a P47N. I'd already been hit by an la-5 and something else.

thrila · « **Reply #12 on:** August 27, 2005, 07:19:21 AM »

I see no reason to doubt humble. If I HO in the mossie more often than not i die- the mossie is a pretty large target, but it's my pilot that more often than not gets killed.

Humble i generally fly around with 50% fuel, if it's a close furball i'll up with 25%. I also fire off all the .303- i don't need them so i get rid of some weight. If it has an effect or not i don't know, it could just be a placebo but that's good enough for me.

I generally try to fly the mossie aggressively. I burn off E to get the angle so i can get a snap shot- that's all the mossie needs. I pop out a notch or two of flaps to aid in turns, however i'll only leave them out for half a circle or so because if they are left out it leaves the mossie just hanging in the air. I love forcing people to over shoot- the mossie bleeds E so well it pretty easy to do. The only plane i really hate fighting against is surprisingly the f4u family. It's worrying seeing them pop out flaps and gear and staying right behind you!:eek:

Watch out for the stall, if you get into one nose down+ full left rudder, should get you out of it. It's bene quite some time that i've not recovered from one (unless i've done it at 500ft). Just because the stall can be lethal don't be afraid to go vertical to rope someone- it can do hammerheads fine.

I hope you have lots of fun in the mossie humble. ~~It was a nice fight.~~

humble · « **Reply #13 on:** August 27, 2005, 09:55:06 AM »

Switched to 25% and DT's after another post above (Karnak?)....kept the 2 x500 internal bombs for now. Unless you flat out get caught in a horde its not a bad ride at all. Only real problem is the generally poor vis. Fought a couple of 1 on 1's...had no problem with a P-47...just as you said forcing the overshoot was pretty easy and he couldnt seem to shake me or extend out of dodge (chewed thru an awful lot of 20mm though)...ran into a spitty coming out....1st bounce was easy...couple of good evasives but caught him solid on third pass...he reupped and I'd extended so it ended up as a poss E merge for me vs a true bounce...couldnt get saddled up on him and we went a couple rounds before I got TKO'd by a tree. I found I was able to reverse back to him from 1.5 and avoid giving him a shot but couldnt convert to a decent shot vs the spitty (IX). I thik I've got the clips...I'll attach em if I do...all critique welcome...

Vad · « **Reply #14 on:** August 27, 2005, 04:24:55 PM »

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Originally posted by humble
LOL....

I dont have the time or reason to BS, it was a P47N. I'd already been hit by an la-5 and something else.

Scores-> Kill stats->Player vs. Model, Tour 67

akhumble vs p47n -> zero kills.

I know , you will say that it was assist. And it was La5 (stats - > 1 kill of La5 on akhumble in Mossie).

PS: If you lost HO in Mossie vs anything you need to refresh your skills. It is just impossible.

PSS: Actually, it wasn't HO. You was killed in front deflection shot, and you had no chance to shoot back - you was much low and at about 25-30 degrees.