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« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2005, 02:26:06 PM »
Well, as a law enforcement applicant, I find this really sad. Sorry if its already been posted, but WTF. I cant imagine what the hell is happening down there.

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« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2005, 02:31:15 PM »
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Not my responsibility.  You could have just as easily left it out before hitting the submit button.

I could have, but I really wanted him to know how I felt.

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« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2005, 03:00:11 PM »
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« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2005, 03:59:14 PM »
I finally heard from a friend who lives down that way.  He pointed out that the voters turned down a proposal to improve the levys recently.  :huh

He's getting by, as are many others.

What I find sad is outbursts from that mayor and Jesse Jackson down there insisting this is racism, yada yada.  He's simply stirring the pot and offering no solutions.

And that I find tiring
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« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2005, 04:04:12 PM »
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I finally heard from a friend who lives down that way.  He pointed out that the voters turned down a proposal to improve the levys recently.  :huh

He's getting by, as are many others.

What I find sad is outbursts from that mayor and Jesse Jackson down there insisting this is racism, yada yada.  He's simply stirring the pot and offering no solutions.

And that I find tiring


Predictable.
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Now that the "Poly card" has been played (and so soon, I expected at least a week before this would come), how long before the race card is played, that these people would have got faster, better help and assistance, had it not been for their color?  I give it one week, Jesse will be first to say it. Speaking of which, where is Jesse? ;)

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« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2005, 04:06:55 PM »
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Predictable.


yeah,

It's to a point where you can cut and paste responses now...

very tiring...

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« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2005, 04:24:34 PM »
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Predictable.


see the other thread:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=158967#newpost

as for anything the NO mayor or the gov of LA spews, why wouldn't they use this golden opportunity to slam the admin, the opposition? No matter what the feds did, with this huge a disaster, you can critize and get away with it to some..

their complaints are both a cya and a typical left slanted "it can't be my fault" response
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« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2005, 04:35:40 PM »
The part I have trouble fathoming is just the basic distribution of food and water. It should not take DAYS to load up a couple of C-130's and airdrop supplies to the civic center and wherever else they are needed.

Also keep in mind we had DAYS to prepare for this. As soon as the skies were calm enough to fly we should have been performing massive rescue and resupply missions.

This was not a "surprise attack". We even had plans for scenarios exactly like this. They were not executed.

Straight up, we failed. Put too much of our manpower and resources on the other side of the planet, got complacent, and took one right up the *ss. It's been so long since we had a large distaster all the politicians forgot we needed those people, equipment and funds, for a reason.

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« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2005, 04:46:05 PM »
Anyone who tells you they (the Guard, the Reserves, and other branches of the military) have not been doing anything until the last day or two is a liar and a fool.

One of the guys in our squad has been flying NON STOP for about THREE DAYS already with his ENTIRE UNIT of C-130's out of Florida's Duke Field. As soon as the storm abated enough for them to get flying clearance, they were up.

That's a unit that does covert insertion, resupply, and recovery, along with air to air refueling of helicopters as their normal operational assignment.

However, they evacuated Duke Field at 7AM last Saturday, and began setting up for the relief effort as soon as the field was evacuated. They've been flying into and out of wrecked fields since the storm died out. They brought their own air traffic control, and their own security forces. They have Forward Air Controllers on the ground directing helicopters. They have been flying in supplies for the victims, and fuel for the choppers, NON STOP since the storm died out. The choppers are flying NON STOP. The pilots of the choppers are pushing so hard they are landing on fumes at the end of every flight.

I have friends and family in the Guard and the Reserves who are risking life and limb about 20 out of every 24 hours running rescue and relief operations around the clock. I've heard about all of the Bravo Sierra about nothing being done that I'm going to silently listen to. I'm beginning to get REAL sick of it.

These guys will run this relief and rescue operation until it is no longer needed, at whatever cost to them happens to occur. They'll be away from their families and homes, even though some of them are from the areas hit. When it is all over with, they'll be rewarded with a deployment to the Middle East, and since that deployment will be postponed due to this effort, they'll likely be over there for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years, missing all of those holidays with their families as well.

So, if anyone tells you nothing was being done, you tell them that the 8th Special OPSSO Black Birds, AFSOD-A-N, flying MC-130E Combat Talons, have been on the job since the storm abated enough that they were cleared to fly, and they'll be there, flying maximum effort, until the job is done. And that's just ONE unit, one of many, that are on the job, and HAVE BEEN on the job, for days.
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« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2005, 04:48:36 PM »
I know there have been massive efforts. It's truly appreciated. The problem is logistics. Why did it take 3 days to get food and water to the civic center? They couldn't spare just 1 C-130 or Chinook?

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« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2005, 04:49:42 PM »
good info Captain Virgil Hilts

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« Reply #56 on: September 02, 2005, 05:04:43 PM »
FYI, for those asking wheres the help from those countries we dished out too... Banda Aceh's average income is US$250... annually.

The tsunami in SE Asia only hit coastal regions. The internal infrastructure was left untouched, ie you are comparing the blanket destruction of a massive area (in The USA) to a very spread out disaster of narrow bands of destruction (Tsunami).

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Hotlines set up for help
03 September 2005  
By ANNA SAUNDERS

New Zealand charities have opened hotlines to aid victims of Hurricane Katrina.


The United States embassy in Wellington has been overwhelmed with offers of support and condolences.

A spokeswoman said more than 100 people had offered to fly to New Orleans and help.

But she advised against well-meaning volunteers travelling to the affected areas, saying they should only do so if directed by an approved US voluntary agency.

"The unfortunate reality is that well-meaning self-dispatched volunteers can put themselves and others in harm's way and hamper rescue efforts."

New Zealand Red Cross acting director-general Graham Wrigley said the organisation had received many calls from the public wanting to give to those affected.

"It really shows the generosity of New Zealanders. After so many gave to those affected by the South Asia tsunami, it is extremely heartening to see that New Zealanders are still finding ways to help those in need," he said.

The Salvation Army will hold a street collection in Lambton Quay, Wellington, today. The charity opened its relief hotline at 1pm yesterday and by 5pm $1500 had been raised
 


Like I said, those that think no help has been offered or given need to read the news beyond their own borders a bit more.
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« Reply #57 on: September 02, 2005, 06:10:54 PM »
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The part I have trouble fathoming is just the basic distribution of food and water. It should not take DAYS to load up a couple of C-130's and airdrop supplies to the civic center and wherever else they are needed.
 


What percentage of those goods do you think would end up in 5 feet of water, and what percentage on top of the dome, risking those on the ground standing waiting for these to drop from the air? You *Do* realize that the only "dry area" was that of roof tops, right?

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Also keep in mind we had DAYS to prepare for this. As soon as the skies were calm enough to fly we should have been performing massive rescue and resupply missions.

This was not a "surprise attack". We even had plans for scenarios exactly like this. They were not executed.

Straight up, we failed. Put too much of our manpower and resources on the other side of the planet, got complacent, and took one right up the *ss. It's been so long since we had a large distaster all the politicians forgot we needed those people, equipment and funds, for a reason.

g00b


As Krusher pointed out in another thread...We have 2 million people who live in the New Orleans area alone, not counting the areas hit in Mississippi and Alabama. We have 500 to 750,000 people who are still in the area. How many busses, helicopters, boats, trucks do you need to feed, water, move etc that many people? This isn't even counting the ones who fled early like they should and are now scattered around several states.

The flooded areas have made driving pretty damn tough and they have to bring fuel with them because there is none in the affected areas. We only have about 200 helicopters in the area with more showing up every day, they need fuel too. The fuel came from NO and now has to be brought from surrounding states. Just so you know, it is 1500 miles from El passo Texas to Houston and what 350 or so to NO from there. How the hell long do you think it takes to drive that far. The flood just happened Tuesday night, its now 3 days later. 248 truckloads of supplies have arrived and guess what, its not even enough for 1 day !

Just because we are a rich country doesnt mean we can perform miracles. Today the relief efforts have gotten much better but for cripes sakes its only been a few days cut the USA some slack.


After reading Krushers response above, care to volunteer to be the leader of Hurricane Prepardness board of FEMA for the next one?  Here's a clue: You won't come up with a budget, nor a plan that will sell any politician the fact that 2,000,000 people will be displaced, and get funding for that.

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« Reply #58 on: September 02, 2005, 06:19:47 PM »
Just a question.

I agree the news media is not erxactly going to tell the whole truth. But urm how in the hell is anyone goping to get any idea of whats goling on if they live in the rest of the world, without them. Now maybe I'm daft but surely I can only go on what I see and hear unless of course you think I should just hop on a plane and go there.

Cmon guys. Think a mo. Perhaps you'd rather we didn't comment as its a US issue. Would you rather we didn't care at all?

Its a sad situation. One that seems from out here to be spiraling out of control. With not much help from your govt!

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« Reply #59 on: September 02, 2005, 06:22:54 PM »
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I know there have been massive efforts. It's truly appreciated. The problem is logistics. Why did it take 3 days to get food and water to the civic center? They couldn't spare just 1 C-130 or Chinook?


1 C130 dropping supps would cause a human wave of panick, crushing and killing many more rushing to the drops (in the water mind you) than that of which it would save. (At least near the Dome or Convention center.)