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Offline Nash

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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2005, 12:34:10 AM »
I don't pride myself on nuthin'.

What a useless thing, and I aint even close to being all that.

Unlike what you said, I do however worry (it's more than worry, actually).

I'll spare this thread the brunt of it, but I am simply outraged. Red.

I could tell you about some of my experiences in Nawlins that are so uplifting, so... life affirming..... but it makes no difference.

You... and this thread... leave me with no desire to share it. So, screw it.

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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2005, 12:38:25 AM »
I love NewOrleans.  Proposed to my wife in Jackson Square.

Been to 6 Mardi Gras and numerous other trips to boot.  My favorite place to stay is the Dauphin.  

Anyways, lets not get into bards between each other.  Serves no purpose and pray to God instead that those people get help.
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2005, 12:40:32 AM »
K amen.

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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2005, 09:03:44 AM »
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No Rip - Hurricane Andrew was met with the forces that Bush Sr. built. FEMA was by then a joke. '92.

Clinton called it as such. Vowed to rebuild it, and did. Turned it from the worst agency into what many called the best.

Bush JR. then gutted it.

And here we are.....

Source?

And, regarding preparation for any disaster, who would you say is more responsible in that preparation? The state of which the potential catastrophe could potentially hit or depend on the Government?

And, I stand corrected on my above post, Andrew WAS indeed politicized, see this thread:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=159154&referrerid=3203

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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2005, 09:11:25 AM »
My brother is a canadian citizen and I don't go around using "we" when I talk about canada...

You ain't a "we" .... You aint an American nash.  And I am sure I am not alone in saying that I am grateful that you can't vote like a real American can.

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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2005, 09:18:57 AM »
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My brother is a canadian citizen and I don't go around using "we" when I talk about canada...

You ain't a "we" .... You aint an American nash.  And I am sure I am not alone in saying that I am grateful that you can't vote like a real American can.

lazs


He's more like a "very-envious" Kanuck.

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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2005, 12:32:30 PM »
Actualy its not about Bush Bashing per se. Whoever the President is is kind of irrelevant. What is relevant is that Federal and local govt seems to have made a real hash of things. If you guys choose to interpret that as Bush bashing so be it. For my part it doesn't matter who is in power, what matters is that those who are have not done a very good job so far.

The only people who have are those on the ground actualy trying to sort the mess without the resources and logistical support they should have.

We are not forgetting or denegrating their efforts. Merely pointing out that they are being failed as much as those they are trying to help. And that at some point someone will have to face up to that.

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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2005, 12:41:15 PM »
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He's more like a "very-envious" Kanuck.
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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2005, 12:52:47 PM »
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Actualy its not about Bush Bashing per se. Whoever the President is is kind of irrelevant. What is relevant is that Federal and local govt seems to have made a real hash of things.  


Possibly, but I still think you dont understand the vast scope of this disaster.  Try and imagine your entire country under water and how the UK goverment would react.

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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2005, 01:05:50 PM »
With difficulty agreed. But if our neighbours just stood by or couldn't rush in support within five days I'd be asking questions of them.

Its not about locality its about humanity. The US is a huge place. Not that much of the whole nation was affected.

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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2005, 01:34:16 PM »
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With difficulty agreed. But if our neighbours just stood by or couldn't rush in support within five days I'd be asking questions of them.

Its not about locality its about humanity. The US is a huge place. Not that much of the whole nation was affected.


Remember it was two events a 150 year Hurricane and a 150 year flood.  Two catastophic events in the space of two days and we are not talking average.  Also we had Florida hit by the same hurricane two days prior, who do you think went to help those people?

Can you fly a chopper in 160 mile an hour winds?  That's how bad it was on day One. Could you drive any truck in 6 to 15 feet of water? That's how bad it was on day Two.  The water in some areas was higher and as of today most of it is still there.  There are some routes you could take some trucks and busses, but it adds hours to the trip. By day 5 the relief was rolling in.  

When you say the US is a large place your absolutely correct.  How long does it take to fly a chopper in the UK from say Forss in the north to Carland Cross in the south?  That's just the affected area, not the staging area.  Say you had to cross the channel from France to a staging area in Scotland then fly the same north south route. How much time would that add to the process?

Ok add refueling, loading supplies, picking up stranded people and flying them to safety.  Now say each chopper can hold supplies for 10 families and pick up 8 people. How many choppers would you need to rescue or feed 100,000 people, the numbers are higher than that, but 100k is a nice round number.  Put a pencil to the numbers and you tell me how easy it should be.  

I am sorry Sky, but with all due respect, you still have me convinced you don't have a handle on the scope of this disaster.

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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2005, 01:40:07 PM »
Yes you may be right. I do see your point actualy.

Be interesting to see what the ramifications are. But whatever lets hold out hope for those far worse off who have lost everything. They are the ones who this is about to be sure. Not us here arguing on the BBs. We are the lucky ones.

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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2005, 01:44:34 PM »
Originally posted by Skydancer

>Yes you may be right. I do see your point actualy.


Thank you....


>Be interesting to see what the ramifications are.


Trust me , the ramifications are going to be deep.


>But whatever lets hold out hope for those far worse off who have lost everything. They are the ones who this is about to be sure. Not us here arguing on the BBs. We are the lucky ones.

Amen to that (and I aint religious :) )

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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2005, 02:01:11 PM »
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You ain't a "we" .... You aint an American nash.  And I am sure I am not alone in saying that I am grateful that you can't vote like a real American can.


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so your point was?