Another Disaster Reporter has a Rod Serling Moment

[lazs2]

and... raider... I guess I agree with you on this point...

The militia (every able bodied man) should be "trained to some degree"   I think it is criminal that the NRA and CMP have been banned from our schools and that the nation is not sponsoring shooting ranges and safety training (NRA and CMP) and giving away surplus guns and ammo (which we all originaly paid for) or selling them at cost.

klinton had allmost a million servicable and legal to own military surplus firearms destroyed rather than sell them back to the people.  

I think that it is common sense to teach our children in the schools firearm safety.... and not...."run away run away".

so yes... we do agree and we do have some small divot of common ground on at least this issue.

lazs

[Toad]

Allow me to be the first:

[/quote]The Rationale of the Automatic Rifle

When you discuss the militia today on the planet earth, some of the strongest case law is embodied by the experience of Switzerland. The Swiss have been at peace longer than any other people on Earth, primarily because virtually every adult male (and any adult female who wants to join the effort) is a member of the militia and issued a real assault rifle.

The rifle the Swiss government issues to its citizens is a true machine gun. Picture a match-accurate M-16 rifle with a target grade trigger and a selector switch that goes from safe to semiautomatic to three-shot burst to full automatic, and you have the Sturmgewehr-90, which may be the most advanced assault rifle on earth. There’s one in almost every Swiss home, yet mass murders in public are unknown in that country. The murder rate in Switzerland is a fraction of that in the lowest-crime states in the US, despite the ubiquitous presence of machine guns and ammunition.

When their time comes to leave the militia, aging members have the option of keeping their rifles. A great many do. The Swiss army, with only a few thousand full time career members, sees the retired militia people who are still armed as one more resource that keeps their country safe from war.

Barely more than half a century ago, the Nazi war machine considered invading Switzerland. It was the sort of nightmare that would make a field marshal of an army of conquest wake up screaming in the middle of the night. Every home a sniper’s nest? Mountain roads and bridges all mined, ready to be blown up and made impassable within 24 hours of an invasion? A populace unworried about embargo because every home had a year’s supply of food, not to mention a significant supply of ammunition? And why had the German spies reported that every Swiss village had a 300-meter rifle range, busily used by the citizenry every weekend?

It was Invader Motel. “They check in, but they don’t check out.” Why did field marshals who could not dissuade Adolf Hitler from invading Russia in winter manage to convince him that there was no future in attacking tiny Switzerland? Because some things are so obvious that even raving madmen can understand them.

[lasersailor184]

Please step away from the computer and go pick up a book.

The Hessians were British Mercenaries. The french helped us big time.

I suggest you go pick up a book.  You're embarassing yourself.


Back then Germany wasn't the Germany we know of it today.  Hessia was it's own area / country.  There were other german countries there too.

I said German because I forget which area Von Steuben was from.  

Up to the Battle of Saratoga, we weren't doing too well.  France was worried about giving us any help at all.  But we ****in spanked the British at Saratoga.  Because of this, they gave us von Steuben and nothing else.

I attribute winning the war to von Steuben.  Not the french.

The Baron Von Steuben was a German military Genious hired by the French to teach us how to beat the British.  von Steuben was such a brilliant mind that he explained exactly which tactics to use to defeat the british.  And it worked.


The French, on the other hand, were too Golly-geen worried that we were going to lose.  And they didn't want to be part of the losing team.  They *****ONLY STEPPED IN WHEN IT WAS CERTAIN WE WOULD WIN*****.

[lasersailor184]

If you really want to know what happened, I suggest these two books: The Glorious Cause and Rise to Rebellion .


It will explain clearly what the french did and how things actually happened.  Get back to us in a week when you're done reading Raider.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
I suggest you go pick up a book.  You're embarassing yourself.


Back then Germany wasn't the Germany we know of it today.  Hessia was it's own area / country.  There were other german countries there too.

I said German because I forget which area Von Steuben was from.  

Up to the Battle of Saratoga, we weren't doing too well.  France was worried about giving us any help at all.  But we ****in spanked the British at Saratoga.  Because of this, they gave us von Steuben and nothing else.

I attribute winning the war to von Steuben.  Not the french.

The Baron Von Steuben was a German military Genious hired by the French to teach us how to beat the British.  von Steuben was such a brilliant mind that he explained exactly which tactics to use to defeat the british.  And it worked.


The French, on the other hand, were too Golly-geen worried that we were going to lose.  And they didn't want to be part of the losing team.  They *****ONLY STEPPED IN WHEN IT WAS CERTAIN WE WOULD WIN*****.

LOL the Hessian's were in fact British Mercenaries. They were Hessian mercenaries employed by Britian. I used the Correct Term Hessian in identifying them and placed them on the correct side of the battle. Unlike you.

GERMANY  was not a country. SO quit calling them Germans. Jeez you are stupid. So like I said go pick up a book. You once again are far too late to enter this.

German Confederation origin 1815.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
If you really want to know what happened, I suggest these two books: The Glorious Cause and Rise to Rebellion .


It will explain clearly what the french did and how things actually happened.  Get back to us in a week when you're done reading Raider.

no one is getting back to you or listening to anything you have to say. So save yourself the breath/thought.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Toad
Allow me to be the first:

The Rationale of the Automatic Rifle

When you discuss the militia today on the planet earth, some of the strongest case law is embodied by the experience of Switzerland. The Swiss have been at peace longer than any other people on Earth, primarily because virtually every adult male (and any adult female who wants to join the effort) is a member of the militia and issued a real assault rifle.

The rifle the Swiss government issues to its citizens is a true machine gun. Picture a match-accurate M-16 rifle with a target grade trigger and a selector switch that goes from safe to semiautomatic to three-shot burst to full automatic, and you have the Sturmgewehr-90, which may be the most advanced assault rifle on earth. There’s one in almost every Swiss home, yet mass murders in public are unknown in that country. The murder rate in Switzerland is a fraction of that in the lowest-crime states in the US, despite the ubiquitous presence of machine guns and ammunition.

When their time comes to leave the militia, aging members have the option of keeping their rifles. A great many do. The Swiss army, with only a few thousand full time career members, sees the retired militia people who are still armed as one more resource that keeps their country safe from war.

Barely more than half a century ago, the Nazi war machine considered invading Switzerland. It was the sort of nightmare that would make a field marshal of an army of conquest wake up screaming in the middle of the night. Every home a sniper’s nest? Mountain roads and bridges all mined, ready to be blown up and made impassable within 24 hours of an invasion? A populace unworried about embargo because every home had a year’s supply of food, not to mention a significant supply of ammunition? And why had the German spies reported that every Swiss village had a 300-meter rifle range, busily used by the citizenry every weekend?

It was Invader Motel. “They check in, but they don’t check out.” Why did field marshals who could not dissuade Adolf Hitler from invading Russia in winter manage to convince him that there was no future in attacking tiny Switzerland? Because some things are so obvious that even raving madmen can understand them. [/B]

Well I am least convinved to try it. What we have right now is obviously not working. I hope proper training and education would go along with our version as opposed to just handing out rifles. lol

[lasersailor184]

Raider!  Go back and read!     I even directly said that germany didn't form a country for a while.  However, they were germanic tribes ever since the roman times.  Where do you think the name "Germany" came from?

And I also never said that Hessians weren't mercanaries for Britain!  


I was pointing out that the french practically didn't help us with anything.  Though, I guess expecting you to read something is way too difficult.  Even if it was only 11 sentences.  

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Raider!  Go back and read!     I even directly said that germany didn't form a country for a while.  However, they were germanic tribes ever since the roman times.  Where do you think the name "Germany" came from?

And I also never said that Hessians weren't mercanaries for Germany!  


I was pointing out that the french practically didn't help us with anything.  Though, I guess expecting you to read something is way too difficult.  Even if it was only 11 sentences.  

even if he does read it it's no use argueing with him.  He see's what he want's and makes up his own facts from the land of make beleive.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I don't mean to disturb your positon with facts but here you go:

"The British took possession of both Breed’s Hill and Bunker Hill. They had won the battle, but at a terrible cost: out of 2,200 troops, 268 British soldiers and officers had been killed; another 828 were wounded."

50% casualties is pretty massive to me.

was re-reading some of this and wanted to clarify I was talking about lex. concord

[vorticon]

'The Swiss have been at peace longer than any other people on Earth, primarily because virtually every adult male (and any adult female who wants to join the effort) is a member of the militia and issued a real assault rifle."

nonsense...theyve been at peace longer than any other people on earth, (since BEFORE assault rifles were invented) because there country, until recently, could be effectivly defended by a 12 year old girl with a pile of rocks.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Raider!  Go back and read!     I even directly said that germany didn't form a country for a while.  However, they were germanic tribes ever since the roman times.  Where do you think the name "Germany" came from?

And I also never said that Hessians weren't mercanaries for Germany!  


I was pointing out that the french practically didn't help us with anything.  Though, I guess expecting you to read something is way too difficult.  Even if it was only 11 sentences.  

"Germans. It was the germans who helped us. The french did nothing" Laser

The Germans, Otherwise known as the "Hessians" were not on our side. They were on The British side. They were not on our side. Does that Clear it up for you???

You need to examine the Yorktown battle if you think the French did "nothing".

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
even if he does read it it's no use argueing with him.  He see's what he want's and makes up his own facts from the land of make beleive.

Why dont you ask Toad and Lasz if that happened in this thread? I capitulated, but I guess you didn't really read the thread just wanted to come get in because you got owned in the no thread.

[lasersailor184]

No, the hessians were not the only german people living in that area!

Just for reference, Hessia is number 7.  It was a territory inside the Holy Roman Empire at the time.



Courtesy of the Wik.  All that other land were other people.  Notably, we have Bavaria being number 2, bremen being number 5, and saxony being number 13.

However, these are modern day borders.  The Holy Roman Empire stretched over much more land.


Saying that all Germans were called Hessians is kind of like saying all US Americans are called Texans.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, the hessians were not the only german people living in that area!

Just for reference, Hessia is number 7.  It was a territory inside the Holy Roman Empire.



Courtesy of the Wik.  All that other land were other people.  Notably, we have Bavaria being number 2, bremen being number 5, and saxony being number 13.

However, these are modern day borders.  The Holy Roman Empire stretched over much more land.

And what does anythat have to do with you saying the Germans helped us? The Hessians aka the Germans were our enemies not our allies. Hope that clears it up. Cant make it much easier for you than that.