Author Topic: Interesting M-8 experience and relevance to the DOD transformation and SBCT  (Read 409 times)

Offline Wolfala

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I was up at Tank Town - Cyclic was sitting at the south east field in an M3 hiding. I had no way to get to his position, so I brought out the M-8 and drove there. Took a little while - didn't know that sucker could do 60 though.

Long story short, I get to the base, and start raising hell and drawing attention to myself. 2 panzers pop out and try to wack me and fail. Cyclic gets his troops in the back door and eventually the tanks die.

Fast forward 20 minutes. Some wiseguy is near 27 and we have no idea where. Just occasionally some shells are landing in the hanger area where Cyclic is in a panzer, another guy in a panzer, and myself in the M-8. So I roll out into the tree line listening for the sounds of engine or the report of cannon.

Eventually after about 15 minutes I get vectored in the correct direction of the shots. Rolling up the hill at about 35 mph between some mounds a few shots land short of me. I jink the car left and Cyclic and the other guy put fire into the area the Panzer is shooting from. I work around the left side of the guy, maybe 500 meters west of him, circle around the bellybutton end of him. He's camped out behind a berm with his gun focused down the hill. 3 shots of 37mm right into his pooper - and BLAM!

That was satisfying. Then I think about the current transition to the SBCT up at Fort Lewis and start thinking to myself. I'm basically going toe to toe with a T-72 in a Stryker, standing practically no chance of denting him in a conventional way. Deep down I feel like to kill this guy i'm sticking my dick inside of a hornets nest. And the only reason this guy died was b/c I got the heavier armor to distract his bellybutton long enough for me to plug him at point blank before he knew I was there.

I don't know if that sits very well with me in the whole realm of the DOD transformation and SBCT transition to lighter armor.



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Offline nirvana

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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2005, 05:09:14 PM »
So you put an 37MM AP shot into one of the lightest armoured spots on a tank, it happens.  What's really neat is how the T34's gun sucks so much worse then the Panzer's that it can't even kill a Tiger.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2005, 05:55:26 PM »
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So you put an 37MM AP shot into one of the lightest armoured spots on a tank, it happens.  What's really neat is how the T34's gun sucks so much worse then the Panzer's that it can't even kill a Tiger.



I think you missed the point. The lighter, faster, more mobile mentality is the current trend. Thin skinned vehicles - etc. The stryker vs T-72 was an analogy to apply it to in the current day. Dick in the hornets nest...well...use yr imagination.


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Offline justin_g

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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2005, 06:31:31 AM »
It worked for the Germans in 1940. Lightly armoured 40kph tanks vs the French "infantry support" tanks that could manage about 10kph... just need good air support.

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2005, 06:45:50 AM »
Didn't work so well for the Germans in 1941 when they ran into KV-2s...

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2005, 07:12:08 AM »
Gunpower and decent armor protection were the hallmark of all the best WW2 tanks. A good, accurate gun, and mechanically sound.

Btw, the reason the French armored forces were defeated is well documented. Their armor was divided up amongst infantry divisions, not concentrated into a mass, as were the panzers. It had bupkiss to do with any "superiority" Most of their tanks were Panzer IIs with 20mm guns. They had better tactics, and a better strategy to employ mass armor penetrations. Its a complete myth that Germanys 1940 tanks were superior to British and French tanks, they were not.

Personally I think the idea of having glorified APCs with MBT guns is going to backfire at some point. Canada is also mothballing its MBT Leopards in favor of the Stryker. Looks good on paper untill an export T-90 starts shooting at you with a 125mm gun. I guess the idea is they wont ever have to actually go into combat? Or the air force is supposed to come in and save the day. Its amazing how armies forget all the hard lessons given time, to make the same mistakes over again.

As a defensive system, I think there is merit in a Stryker, but a fundamental rule of armor on the attack, is that you must expose yourself to enemy fire.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2005, 07:49:37 PM »
The French also had ALOT more tanks at their disposal, after the defeat of France, all of those tanks fell into German hands, who probably could think of a suitable job for them