Bill of NON-Rights

[Xargos]

The following has been attributed to State Representative Mitchell Aye from GA.

 This guy should run for President one day!
 
 
 "We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice,avoid more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other liberal bed-wetters. We hold these truths to be self evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require a Bill of NON-Rights."

ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.
 
ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.
 
ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.
 
ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing.  Americans are the most charitable people to be found and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.
 
ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.
 
ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people.  If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.
 
ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of leisure.
 
ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.
 
ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness which, by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.
 
> ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from!
 

        (lastly....)
 
 
ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no faith at all; with no fear of persecution. The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of our heritage and history and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!!!!  If you agree, share this with a friend. No, you don't have to, and nothing tragic will befall you if you don't. I just think it's about time common sense is allowed to flourish. Sensible people of the United States speak out because if you do not, who will.  Live simply.  Love generously.  Care deeply.  Speak kindly.  Leave the rest to God.

[Nash]

Cripes. This has all the earmarks of another one of those clever little emails that circulate around the internet, winding up in the in-boxes of people who actually like seeing olden and stoopid internet jokes cc'd to them and a thousand different people.

Others got tired of them after about five minutes. But hooray - 'cuz we'll no doubt be seeing this 'zact same post, posted for the next 5 months.

[FiLtH]

Nash do you argue with any of those points he made?

  Which ones?


   Why?

[Nash]

You gotta be kidding me.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Xargos
The following has been attributed to State Representative Mitchell Aye from GA.

 This guy should run for President one day!
 
 
 "We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice,avoid more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other liberal bed-wetters. We hold these truths to be self evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require a Bill of NON-Rights."

Yeah right. Like the spend more than we can afford of our tax dollars are the sole responsibility of the Dems. The Republicans are just as responsible as well. But let's just ignore THAT part of it and play the blame game on ALL the liberals. Hypocritical.

Originally posted by Xargos
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ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.
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Nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by Xargos
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ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.
[/B]

Cool! So Gays can get legally married now? They are part of the "everyone," right?

Originally posted by Xargos
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ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.
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Absolutely right.
However for those manufacturers in their quest for a quick buck put at risk the lives of consumers, deserve their punishments. Nothing hurts them more than taking away their money in punishment.

Originally posted by Xargos
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ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing.  Americans are the most charitable people to be found and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.
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How many are truly in need and how many are milking the system? What's the best compromise?

Originally posted by Xargos
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ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.[/B]

Unfortunetly, agreed. Our system is not set up to run that type of program efficiently, in a cost efficient manner. Hell just look at the rampant fraud with Worker's Comp.

Originally posted by Xargos
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ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people.  If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.[/B]

Death penalty kind of harsh for some crimes.

Originally posted by Xargos
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ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of leisure.[/B]

Funny how that doesn't apply to the wealthy criminals that tend to involve millions of dollars (or more) that victimize the pensions of many, many people. They should be suffering the biggest penalties. Put them away for life.

Originally posted by Xargos
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ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.[/B]

LOL, it's not really "laid before" anyone. Single mom gets duped by her husband. He skips town, disappears. In the meantime shes got kids to feed and has to now find child care services for someone to watch her kids while she's at work. She now has to work more hours to make ends meet. Because she has to work more hours, she has to pay more for child care.
What's her answer?

Originally posted by Xargos
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ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness which, by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.[/B][/QUOTE

Agreed. However it is not always true that the path is/has been equal for all.

Originally posted by Xargos
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> ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from!
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LOL Hogwash. You think someone comes here for fun? To be looked down upon because they are different? Stuck in jobs that are low paying and menial?
They come out of necessity, not a hobby or a vacation. Some don't have the luxury of learning a new language because they're too busy looking to put bread on the table.
The good old U S of A is great because of this tremendous melting pot of different cultures/languages. We'll continue to survive. That's what makes this country strong.
BTW, native Californians (for example) spoke Spanish, before they spoke English.

       

Originally posted by Xargos
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ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no faith at all; with no fear of persecution. The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of our heritage and history and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!!!!  If you agree, share this with a friend. No, you don't have to, and nothing tragic will befall you if you don't. I just think it's about time common sense is allowed to flourish. Sensible people of the United States speak out because if you do not, who will.  Live simply.  Love generously.  Care deeply.  Speak kindly.  Leave the rest to God. [/B]

LOL, sorry but seperation of church and state is a powerful principal. If you don't like that, TOUGH.
....and the author talks of "Speak kindly."? I guess that means everyone but him, 'cause there is nothing "kindly" in his message.

[SkyWolf]

http://www.snopes.com/language/document/norights.htm

[lazs2]

well... of course nash disagrees with every single line of it

subaru is a teensy bit more reasonable but..

"Cool! So Gays can get legally married now? They are part of the "everyone," right?"

Well...no.. but you have no right to be offended by them living together.. the marriage is a financial matter not one of offence.

"Absolutely right.
However for those manufacturers in their quest for a quick buck put at risk the lives of consumers, deserve their punishments. Nothing hurts them more than taking away their money in punishment"

well... yes and no... if the manufacturer makes a FAULTY product that causes harm then he should be liable... say a butane lighter that explodes when lit...he should be liable... if you leave the lighter on the table and the toddler get's it and burns down the house...  you are liable.  If you shoot three guys with a gun.... you, or the people shot are liable.... if you try to shoot three guys with a gun and it doesn't go off... the gun manufacturer is liable.

"How many are truly in need and how many are milking the system? What's the best compromise?"

how is extortion a "comprimise"?

"Funny how that doesn't apply to the wealthy criminals that tend to involve millions of dollars (or more) that victimize the pensions of many, many people. They should be suffering the biggest penalties. Put them away for life."

If it doesn't then it should... so far as I know tho...if you can prove fraud or gross negligence.... it is criminal.

"LOL, it's not really "laid before" anyone. Single mom gets duped by her husband. He skips town, disappears. In the meantime shes got kids to feed and has to now find child care services for someone to watch her kids while she's at work. She now has to work more hours to make ends meet. Because she has to work more hours, she has to pay more for child care.
What's her answer?"

If she were a member of a church she would not starve... if the rest of us were not fleeced of taxes we would help to but.... we would decide who was worthy... not the government.

"LOL Hogwash. You think someone comes here for fun? To be looked down upon because they are different? Stuck in jobs that are low paying and menial?
They come out of necessity, not a hobby or a vacation. Some don't have the luxury of learning a new language because they're too busy looking to put bread on the table.
The good old U S of A is great because of this tremendous melting pot of different cultures/languages. We'll continue to survive. That's what makes this country strong.
BTW, native Californians (for example) spoke Spanish, before they spoke English."

If you don't want to be looked at differently then you need to learn the language and the ways of your adopted country... if you are here illegaly.... you need to just shut up and hide.   If you can't learn the language and customs yourself.... you need to do everything possible to make sure your children have a chance in life by giving... no. forcing them to become citizens that fit in... this worked for countless immigrants in the past... they were not lazy and useless tho sucking on a willing government tit.

lazs

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by SaburoS
Yeah right. Like the spend more than we can afford of our tax dollars are the sole responsibility of the Dems. The Republicans are just as responsible as well. But let's just ignore THAT part of it and play the blame game on ALL the liberals. Hypocritical.

No arguement there

 

How many are truly in need and how many are milking the system? What's the best compromise?.

 From my personal experiance from what I've seen in my life.
I'd say about 60%
One thing Clinton did right was welfare reform. While not perfect it is a start. Problem is Welfare (originally started for the vets and Widows of the revolutionary war) doesnt provide enough incentive for many of these people to do more then they have to to qualify let alone get off of it. Which I suppose is better then the way it was where they didnt have any incentive at all to get off of welfare even in the slightest.

Death penalty kind of harsh for some crimes.

Harsh crimes should get harsh punishment.
Kidnap,Rape and (intentional)murder I would consider harsh crimes. And if of these above mentioned is done on a child. I dont even think a lesser sentance should be even allowed.
You Rape, Kidnap, or intentionally kill a child. Death should be the only sentance



 

 

. Some don't have the luxury of learning a new language because they're too busy looking to put bread on the table.

Pure BS. My Grandfather as did many others come here around the turn of the century (1916 to be exact) Not speaking a word of english. And he like everyone else of the time. Learned the language. He didint look for any special treatment.Because in his own words "when you go to a new country, You learn to speak THEIR language. You do not expect them to learn to speak yours"
And he did this while he was busy looking to put bread on the table. By the time he died he spoke the language far better then most people I know even now. Probably easily better then most of the people that frequent this board (think John Houseman).
And while a bit extream. he never taught his children even how to speak Spanish because in his own words "I didnt want the family to be known as just another group of spics"
 He was disgusted when he saw those that didnt bother to learn english once here yet look for every "handout and free ride they can get" He considered them as being nothing more then "Lazy bums"

Amazing I see alot of Indians, Pakastani, and Arabs and Chineese in my area. and getting to be moreso every day. Yet I see no special programs for these groups. I dont see drivers licence applications being issued in any of these languages.
No. they come here, they work hard and learn and speak the language. Not always well. but at least they try and keep trying.They, as it was put so elequently by John Houseman "Do it the old fasioned way, They Earn it."
       
 
 

. LOL, sorry but seperation of church and state is a powerful principal. If you don't like that, TOUGH.
....and the author talks of "Speak kindly."? I guess that means everyone but him, 'cause there is nothing "kindly" in his message.

Sorry but your wrong.
It is a powerful principle. but not for the reasons you think it is. Or want it to be
Nowhere in the constitution does it say "Separation of Church and state"
what it does say is
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
 The main intention of this was so that there would be no state established church. A "Church of the United States".  As there was a Church of England.
Or one specific legal religion.
It was NOT to exclude God entirely from government. That is why we see "In God we Trust" and "endowed by our "creator" and at the heading of many of our original founding documents the words "In the year of our lord"


Enlighten yourself:)
The Myth of the seperation of Church and State

[SaburoS]

DREDIOCK,
Actually we are more in agreement than not. Notice your grandfather didn't learn English until after he got here and was working. Most immigrants do try to learn English as they don't want to appear to be out of place. Too bad that he didn't teach his kids Spanish as well. That would have been a bonus.

I do find immigrants both legal and illegal tend to work harder at the menial labor jobs than the domestic born.
It is a tragedy that our welfare state has grown whole generations of citizens that refuse to work at the low paying jobs because a welfare check, for doing nothing was more "rewarding" than actually working.

Don't assume my statement of the common usage of "Separation of Church and State" as to how I view the issue.
Every American has the right to practice their religion as they see fit provided no laws are broken.
Our govt can not sponsor any particular religion nor can they exclude it. The Ten Commandments display on govt property would fall into the sponsorship catagory. The govt cannot force someone from displaying that same display on their private property.

laz2,

Gays don't resently have the "freedom" of marriage to each other. Not a financial issue.

Absolutelty agreed. Stupidity should not be rewarded. All that does is evolve more stupid people. I'm talking about manufacturers that make something unsafe and introduce it to the public, knowing it is so. They just want to make a buck despite the risks. It could be medications, vehicles, etc.

How is it "extortion"?

How about Keating and the S&L scandal?
Hunt bros and the Silver market manipulation?
World Com?
Just for starters.

Not everyone is as generous thinking as you laz. The Great Depression showed the need for a safety net. That net needs more evolving though.

More citizens avail of govt programs than noncitizens. Majority group is caucasian.

I'll use my mom for an example. She was Japanese (born and raised in Japan) and although she couldn't speak English well, she tried. In '75 my father left (he found another woman) and pretty much left us on our own.
Here's my mom, forced to evacuate our military housing and having to get a full time job.
She started with Bank of America in an entry level key punch operator position. She also worked at various other second part time jobs. She worked hard, always getting books to improve herself. She advanced all the way up to Asst Vice President of the Financial division of the SF location before she retired. To this day, my sister and I don't know if my mother took advantage of the welfare system. We never saw or used food stamps. She certainly made it an atmosphere of self sufficiency being the best.
My sister and I managed to stay out of trouble as well. Damn, I'm proud of my Mom. She always put us first, always.
Very strong and independent woman.
LOL, she loves target shooting and fishing, too.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK

 One thing Clinton did right was welfare reform. While not perfect it is a start.  

Yea, he did sign the bill written and designed by republicans.  He also stated during the 96 election that he would work to fix it after he was re-elected.  After the election he decided to leave it alone when all the evidence proved it was working and that he would get hammered if he tried.

[lazs2]

subaru... we probly don't disagree that much but..

Not sure what you mean by an unsafe product... to me a product that appears to be safe but is not or one that the manufacturer knows causes cancer or some sort of disease is an unsafe product...  the safety on a gun that when applied makes it go off for instance or... cig makers hiding the research that shows a cancer link....  someone shooting someone with a perfectly good firearm would not fall under unsafe product...  You can give me examples please?

gay marriage... why not have a seperate "gay union" contract... insurance companies and people in general could decide if they wanted to honor it?

poor... how many people starved to death in the great depression?  quickly now....  well...none documented actually... people are indeed as generous as me... most even give more to charity than me... if a third of our money were not extorted (taxes) from us then I am sure we would be even more generous.

language.... my great grandfather spoke with a heavy Scottish accent... allmost another language.... certainly enough to mark him as not belonging... he could not get rid of it... he made his son speak the language of the Americans.   He also, like your family... immigrated legaly... I realize that more Americans use welfare and freebie government services than illegals but... My guess is that a higher percentage of illegals do... in my opinion the percentage for illegals should be zero except for the bus ride home.

as for scandals involving companies (stockholders) if we (you and me by dint of being stockholders) are doing something illegal then we should lose in court and have our companies pay and our dividends reduced.... the companies we own tho owe it to us to get every legal tax break that they can.   The CEO's and such should be imprissoned if they are found guilty..  that is the law.

lazs