Originally posted by GreenCloud
ok..i apologize for the dolt comment..
I think you are a moron for saying...shoot at a target at 10 yds ..and see what you hit....no sheite
We are talking about POINT BLANK...."trench guns"
as soon as you try your.."10 yards" 30 feet crap..I laugh at you..We are not saying it works for 30 FEET
YA..a 12 gauge shorty is a horrible and useless weapon and could never see service in a war setting...or any setting
For my self I would glady use a shorty 12 guage for home/close combat defense..Great spread ..good hitting power..and minimal secondary penetration...So you dont shoot the folks 2 rooms over
Jeebus dude! How about you actually pay attn to what I'm actually saying here! We are actually on the same damn side on this argument.
Now for the record:
A short barrel could easily hit something at 10 yards. No effort involved.
I didn't bring up the 10yard/30ft thing IIRC
So who's the moron?
The person that thinks the Sawed off double barrel is effective at that range or you for not comprehending what I've been saying?
Seems you are agreeing the value of lethal damage at 30ft of a sawed off double barrel is rather low.
You'll agree that 2 round capacity is also low for military ops?
Here is my position in a nutshell:
I feel it is wrong to base lawful gun ownership on the military "common use" criteria.
I feel any and all shotguns
including sawed off double barrel should not be banned
even though the sawed off double barerel shotgun has yet to be used by our military or police forces. I have never seen military or police ops where the good guys used em. Would be too limiting in those circumstances.
OTOH, I don't feel we have a right to own M203 grenade launchers even though they have actually been used by our military in actual military ops.
There is a reason why the Steven's double barrel sawed off shotgun has never been adapted by our military forces both officially and unofficially.
This fact isn't because I say so, it is what it is.
For the home defense scene, yeah the shotgun is tough to beat especially if intimidation is to be taken into account. The sawed off double barrel is extremely intimidating (maybe that's why it's been disproportionately used in Hollywood movies). That's a personal choice that should be left to the law abiding INDIVIDUAL, not the govt.
For the home if I had to choose a shotgun, I'd rather have the 8-shot preban Binelli Tactical or a SPAS12. Short enough for free movement in the house, but still a better/tighter shot pattern than the Sawed off Double.
I still prefer my SigSauer P220-45 w/tritium night sights though.
LOL, again, quit being a clown. Now you bring in the "moron" label when in fact you've miscomprehended what I've been saying. THAT is your being a "moron". Hint: Don't argue with me on this gun issue in this thread. We're on the same side.
