Lawrence Thompson meets Hartmann's G-14

[straffo]

Certainly ,a 109E is really out-everything by a mustang

[Fry]

Originally posted by FiLtH
It really shows that if a guy who had only been on 7 missions gave that good of a fight against Hartmann, he probably wouldnt have made it to 200 kills if he had 51s to fight from the beginning.

Here's an excellent write-up on that very issue...why so many German pilots had hundreds of kills while none of the allies even came close.

Then read up on Hartmann himself.  Seems he got his first kill in November of '42 and FINALLY got his second three months later...in February of '43.  Now I don't feel so bad when I go multiple sorties without one, hehe;)

[SkyRock]

Hartman, the vulcher of Il2's and cargo planes.  Lol, at least most of them were flying when he shot them!

[parin]

Well even if it was not Hartmann it is an interesting story. Lawrence Thompson certainly had his hands full with who ever it was. From what I understand the story is true but the identity of the enemy pilot is not known. Had  Thompson not been in a P-51 he would have been in big trouble.
And Skyrock I am sure Hartmann had a few kills on the LAgays.

[Creton]

I would think that Thompson would've rathered it to be Hartman other wise he was outflown by a rookie 109 pileit.
Of course he was probably making it up to impress his squadiies and didnt realize the all knowing AH2 fantics would know the difference,but we do.Because as everyone knows the 109 will own the pony,unless it dives.


JB12

[Kweassa]

I would think that Thompson would've rathered it to be Hartman other wise he was outflown by a rookie 109 pileit.
Of course he was probably making it up to impress his squadiies and didnt realize the all knowing AH2 fantics would know the difference,but we do.Because as everyone knows the 109 will own the pony,unless it dives.

 Come now, that's a bit degrading.

 There are split opinions on this matter but the more dominant conclusion seems to be that it wasn't Hartmann. However, even if Thompson may be a bit exaggerating, the fact seems to be that he met a good 109 pilot, almost lost the encounter, and survived.

 Wouldn't that be enough?

 It's not like Thompson's account had a title called "The Greatest Dogfight Ever, and why an Ami Pilot Lost".

[Stang]

Originally posted by JB12
Because as everyone knows the 109 will own the pony, unless it dives.

Really?  

BTW I fly the G10 as my main ride.

[DipStick]

Originally posted by JB12
I would think that Thompson would've rathered it to be Hartman other wise he was outflown by a rookie 109 pileit.
Of course he was probably making it up to impress his squadiies and didnt realize the all knowing AH2 fantics would know the difference,but we do.Because as everyone knows the 109 will own the pony,unless it dives.


JB12

Two weeks later the base commander shows me a telex:
Doesn't sound like he was "making it up". Also the 109 in question dove on 2 other 51s at one point. No doubt they confirmed his story. In no way should any dweeb gameplayer on this or any other game board disrespect any actual pilot who actually flew and fought in a real war.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Kweassa
the fact seems to be that he met a good 109 pilot, almost lost the encounter, and survived.

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Or almost won, depending on one's viewpoint.

Now I'm about 150 yards from him, and I get my gunsight on his tail, but I cannot shoot, because if I shoot wide, or my bullets pass through him, I might shoot down one or both P-51s,

Too bad the other 51's were in the cone from his point of view.

Say, why didn't those guys have killshooter?

[TDeacon]

Interesting story, but perhaps not to be taken at face value.  For example, how can he tell that "Hartmann" fired only one round, when he is on his tail?  There are other anomalies.  Sounds like something written for a men's magazine (but fun to read nevertheless).

[FiLtH]

I like the term Ami... in french it means friend

[Creton]

Stang I was refering to the Pony diving,not the 109,as the pony dosnt seem to compress and 109 compresses somewhat early ina dive,of course it's easy to recover from but still a 109 will not dive with a ponyand as most know the g10 is my main ride.

JB12

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by JB12
I would think that Thompson would've rathered it to be Hartman other wise he was outflown by a rookie 109 pileit.
Of course he was probably making it up to impress his squadiies and didnt realize the all knowing AH2 fantics would know the difference,but we do.Because as everyone knows the 109 will own the pony,unless it dives.


JB12

Are you really this clueless in life?  

Karaya

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by DipStick
Two weeks later the base commander shows me a telex:
Doesn't sound like he was "making it up". Also the 109 in question dove on 2 other 51s at one point. No doubt they confirmed his story. In no way should any dweeb gameplayer on this or any other game board disrespect any actual pilot who actually flew and fought in a real war.

Damn right!

Karaya

[Creton]

clueless as to what?
1. The fact that it was broadcasted 2 weeks later that so and so plane was Hartmans?
2. The fact that he may have had prior knowledge of Hartmans planes markings and thereby claimed it to be possibly Hartman?
3. Even the most prestegous of people can fabricate a story to impress people?
4. That you want to bait me ,to show that you have some kind of higher reasoning than most people?
5. That in fact it probably wasnt Hartman,but who cares it was a good read?
So as to being "clueless" I guess it just depends on which side of the fence your standing on.It's funny how some call it disrespect to call it as you see it when they are doing precisely the same thing "calling it as they see it".The only real way to have ever known if it was Hartman  was to be there, in which most of "dweeby gamers" werent.Who will ever know ,besides those who were actually there? NOONE.


JB12