Author Topic: Rita and gas prices (Read 1282 times)

Shifty · « **Reply #30 on:** September 23, 2005, 07:06:37 AM »

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Originally posted by laho
I think global warming is everybodys problem, even yours. And if you read a little bit more about warming you'll end up to hurricanes...

Global Warming

"Such changes may increase extreme weather events such as floods, droughts, heat waves, and hurricanes, reduce agricultural yields, or cause biological extinctions."

Less pollution -> less global warming -> less hurricanes.

That's why U.S should also pay attention to everybodys problems. And do something for example to this:
Compare EUs & US.

BTW, we don't have hurricanes here in northern part of Europe, yet.

But you're just worried about gas prices, way to go

The earth has always gone through warming and cooling stages and always will. With or without mans help. If your worried about greenhouse gases and polution causing it, maybe you should look and see what countrys have done the most to control polution. That would be the U.S. Some of the countrys with the worst record of polution are 3rd world countrys and ex-Warsaw pact countrys. Wasn't Finland a member of the Warsaw pact?

Global warming causing hurricanes is a nice try, but there have always been hurricanes some of the worst before anyone even knew or thought about global warming. Also experts told us all through the 90's that the El-Nino effect in the pacific was caused by Global Warming. The El-Nino effect disrupted weather , and the fishing industry on our west coast and the weather in America from coast to coast. Well The El-Nino effect is also a Hurricane Killer causing the a disruption in the weather systems that produce Hurricanes.
So which is it? El- Nino, or Hurricanes?? You can't blame both on Global warming. Signing a piece of paper to make a bunch of global eco -hacks feel important would do nothing to help with any of this.

"But you're just worried about gas prices, way to go "

Did I ever mention I was worried about gas prices?? No I didnt , another nice try though.

BTW, we don't have hurricanes here in northern part of Europe, yet. [

Thats great I'm very happy for you. Since you don't have to spend time dealing with the problems of this country, maybe you could come up with solutions for problems Finland does have and not expect America to pay for it. Or even better don't blame our leaders for your problems or your lack of problems that you want to sit around and compulse over anyway.

beet1e · « **Reply #31 on:** September 23, 2005, 07:14:40 AM »

J_A_B, I don't think my chances of surviving being hit by a large truck are worsened by driving a Golf as opposed to any other car. I don't intend to find out! But I don't think the fact that a Golf would come off the worse for it means that it's an "unsafe little piece of crap"! It's not so different from the Passat (ranked #1 for safety in the US) and in years gone by the Passat was even available with the same TDi engine that I have, so it follows that the ultrasafe Passat could also manage 50mpg.

However, I'm getting an Audi soon.

laho · « **Reply #32 on:** September 23, 2005, 07:48:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Shifty

Whatever...

I hope you're well after Rita and see you in the virtual sky after that

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 23, 2005, 08:02:05 AM »

nielsen... for a toy I like my little car... A 55 Healey with a 400 hp chevy V8 in it..

For getting around I like big cars... I drive a 69 chevelle and a late model Lincoln Town car... I like both of those cars.. the are big and comfy.

and lola... your chart is a little missleading... It lumps canada in with the U.S. (surprised they didn't add mexico) and it is a total pollution not based at all on production. I bet that the U.S. has stricter polution laws than any other country.

lazs

Nilsen · « **Reply #34 on:** September 23, 2005, 08:18:15 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I bet that the U.S. has stricter polution laws than any other country.

lazs

Where did you find that info?

lazs2 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 23, 2005, 08:35:41 AM »

I didn't... I said I bet.. I recall that we wouldn't let foreign cars into our country for a decade because they couldn't pass our smog laws.... yu guys owe kyoto a decade worth of polution right there...

I see that our new low sulfur diesel is much more stringent than yours...

Our water quality laws are more stringent than any I have seen anywhere else (unless you have other data).

lazs

laho · « **Reply #36 on:** September 23, 2005, 08:44:03 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

and lola... your chart is a little missleading... It lumps canada in with the U.S. (surprised they didn't add mexico) and it is a total pollution not based at all on production. I bet that the U.S. has stricter polution laws than any other country.

lazs

If I'm lola... just use you Google with "most polluting country"

and you end up for example this:
Carbon dioxide

No Canada anymore. Even China and Russia are far behind U.S.

More stats on the same page: Related stats ->

You're not THAT bad in Fresh water pollution although you're doing your best in many many other areas.

But to be honest, I don't know much of this topic. I'm just a computer engineer who trust on written data

Shifty · « **Reply #37 on:** September 23, 2005, 08:49:11 AM »

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Originally posted by laho
Whatever...

I hope you're well after Rita and see you in the virtual sky after that

Thank you laho.

Our biggest problem will be the possibility of Tornados and flooding this far north. We've still got Hurricane Katrina victims living in our church , and we're pressed for room to help the newest round of people fleeing North from Rita. Many are moving on to Oklahoma instead of stopping here. I hope everyone affected by both these storms get help , and can rebuild their live's soon. Texas has done a lot for the Katrina victims, but so has the rest of the U.S. and many other of the worlds nations. Hopefully the Hurricane season will pass soon and everyone can catch their breath.

If you ever come to Texas look me up. I suggest early spring or late autum though. Any other time your too hot , too cold, or dodging Tornados. We love visitors though no matter what season.

Nilsen · « **Reply #38 on:** September 23, 2005, 08:50:03 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I didn't... I said I bet.. I recall that we wouldn't let foreign cars into our country for a decade because they couldn't pass our smog laws.... yu guys owe kyoto a decade worth of polution right there...

I see that our new low sulfur diesel is much more stringent than yours...

Our water quality laws are more stringent than any I have seen anywhere else (unless you have other data).

lazs

Were do you see that "your new low sulfur diesel is much mors stringent than ours" ?

Were have you seen or read that your water quality laws are more stringent than anywere else?

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** September 23, 2005, 08:51:16 AM »

uh lola... you should read your own chart and see that there are lots of categories even PER CAPITA ones... the U.S. is behind a lot of other countries in most every category.

You should probly be slamming australia and handing them a great big kyoto bill.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 23, 2005, 08:52:36 AM »

nielsen... our new sulpur laws are 7-14 ppm... yours are 50 ppm.

I just get the water stuff through the trades papers but you are welcome to prove me wrong.

lazs

VOR · « **Reply #41 on:** September 23, 2005, 09:00:47 AM »

Incidences and frequencies of hurricanes hitting the gulf costal region of the US has everything to do with the Kyoto protocol, Bush, and SUV's and nothing to do with the industrial revolution, gulf stream, latitude or the rotation of the Earth.

Shifty · « **Reply #42 on:** September 23, 2005, 09:08:57 AM »

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Originally posted by VOR
Incidences and frequencies of hurricanes hitting the gulf costal region of the US has everything to do with the Kyoto protocol, Bush, and SUV's and nothing to do with the industrial revolution, gulf stream, latitude or the rotation of the Earth.

***** Five Star Sig Box Vor.

Nilsen · « **Reply #43 on:** September 23, 2005, 09:19:08 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
nielsen... our new sulpur laws are 7-14 ppm... yours are 50 ppm.

I just get the water stuff through the trades papers but you are welcome to prove me wrong.

lazs

Isnt it 15 ppm from 2006?
Its 10 ppm here from 2009.

You are making the claim regarding the water so you provide the evidence.

Charon · « **Reply #44 on:** September 23, 2005, 10:18:59 AM »

Actually, Europe and US ultra low sulfur diesel levels are comprable, and are being phased in during a comprable timeframe (with a little more leeway in Europe). It's going to be a painful transition, but the end results should pay off in 2015 or so with a 95 percent reduction in emissions. The issues are that there will likely be some notable disruptions in the US market in 2007-2008 and that price will be higher, from several cents to 10s of cents during this period.

Charon