109 Belly Guns?

[EagleDNY]

Any of you 109 buffs ever hear about a twin 30mm belly package for 109g10/u4s??  I'll go back and see if I can find the reference and post it.

EagleDNY

[frank3]

the 'u' in U4 stands for umbausatz, which means a modification kit for in the field (they can modify the kit in the field)

Probably it's a very limited set

[Krusty]

Yes, there were some very strange kits that were put in place. Some were unusual (and uncommon).

[HoHun]

Hi Eagle,

>Any of you 109 buffs ever hear about a twin 30mm belly package for 109g10/u4s??  I'll go back and see if I can find the reference and post it.

The MK108 is unsuitable for snychronization, so I assume the guns weren't meant for firing straight ahead?

There were experiments with a belly-pack containing one MG151/20 firing through the propeller disk. It was found that the impact on performance was much smaller than with the twin wing gondolas of the Me 109G-6/R6, and ballistical performance was better since the gun was centre-line mounted. However, for some reason it wasn't serialized - maybe because the fighter leaders feared Hitler would have them mount the belly-pack in addition to the wing gondolas and not instead of them ;-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[Loddar]

I heard of only FW190s has gondolas
with one Mk108 or Mk103 cannon each
wing or Mk108 cannon replace the MG/FF
on the FW190-A6 and later.

The only Bf109 with two wing mounted
Mk108 is the 109-K6. I don't think the K6
was in active duty.

109s normally had the 151/20 and with
the /R6 one mounted in gondolas each
wing. The /U4 change the 151/20 with
a Mk108.

[Squire]

The Bf 110G (Night Fighter) had a cannon belly pack option. I think you are referring to that. Not the 109G.

I dont think you could mount a belly pack on a single engined fighter.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Squire
The Bf 110G (Night Fighter) had a cannon belly pack option. I think you are referring to that. Not the 109G.

I dont think you could mount a belly pack on a single engined fighter.

There was a belly pod with a single MG151/20 cannon designed and built for 109s. I know it was not used in service.

There were also wing pods for Bf109G that had the 30mm  instead of the 20mm cannon. I'm not sure if these saw service.

[Krusty]

I would like to know if they did see service. Does anybody have any info whatsoever about the 109G's 30mm gondolas?

I ask because if we find out they were used, it'd be sweet to see them in-game (no more 1x30 nose gun and 2x20 gondolas, all guns have the same ballistics! And it'd down ANY bomber in 1 ping lmfaorofl)

[Wilbus]

The R (such as 190 A8/R2) was field conversion kits. "U" were factory conversion kits.

The 109 G10/U4 had provision for a gun belly pack consisting of 2x30mm MK 108 cannons, this could be replaced but a non jetisonble fuel tank.

Source is: Warplanes of the Luftwaffe. From the publisher "Aerospace".

[OttoJ]

The guns would have to be angled downwards then? The MK108 could not be synchronized like the MG151(E).

[Wilbus]

Would seriously doubt they'd be angled downwards.

Why couldn't they be synchronized? Do you have a source? Would be interesting to read.

What kind of an avatar is that anyway?

[Knegel]

Hi,

according to this page; http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/family/109G.htm , the Rüstsatz R5 was the 2 x 30mm gunpods.

Greetings, Knegel

[butch2k]

Nope /U5 and U6 were the Umbau related to MK108 Gondolas which required extensive modifications of the wings. Only /U6 eems to have been really considered and that only with the G-14.
After operational testing proved the weapon unsatisfactory the project was dropped.

[Knegel]

Ok, thanks!

What is the R-5 Rüstsatz then?

Greetings, Knegel

[Wilbus]

Source Butch?

My Source says G10/U4's.