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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2005, 03:27:30 PM »
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Come on...  Everyone knows that it's French arrogance and British cooking that has kept the entire world from speaking German, Russian, or Arabic for the last century...

America has never had any impact on containing groups who intend to take over the world or kill everyone who prays to a different god.


If you're not trolling, please, leave the sarcasm aside.
World War II has absolutely nothing to do with the current war in Iraq.
WWII does not make it any more right to act wrongly in the future than it was to kill people in the name of fascism.

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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2005, 03:35:29 PM »
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Originally posted by Fishu
Abandoned you when starting a war based on lies, which is the only reason for difficulties.

You're either totally ignorant or a troll.


Come off the lies garbage. Show me one credible piece of intelligence that stated Hussein 'did not' have wmd before the war. I'm so tired of this 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' attitude.

If we had done nothing and AQ had set off a chemical/biological attack in London and it was traced to Iraq you socialist, KGB indoctrinated peaceniks would be calling for Bush's head.

Like I said about Katrina. I'd rather have leaders who will do something and worry about the consequences latter that to sit around with their thumbs stuck where they don't belong and excuse themselves when things go badly.

You want to talk about the difficulties? 8 years of doing nothing after attack after attack. Of course the terrorist think they can win. It's been working since the 1950s because the west has never has had the stomach to deal with it. I'm sorry you won't like this but it means destroying the culture that breeds them and the countries that support them. This will not be done until a nuclear device is detonated somewhere in the west. IMO, Europe will be a more likely target than the US because it will be easier for them.

I am also so tired of this 'holier than thou' Euro attitude. That all the problems of the world are caused by the US. It's all propaganda spewed out by your press and governments so you will not focus on the sad state of affairs in your own lands. We have a natural disaster and we get beat-up in the Euro press. How very humane of you. You didn't see us beating France up last summer when they 'let' 10,000 old people die in the heat when all they needed was a $50.00 air conditioner, did you?

It's not just Europe either. We have far to many indoctrinated id10ts in this country as well. They will put their political consideration above all else no matter what or whom it hurts.

Rant over...

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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2005, 03:39:39 PM »
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Originally posted by Fishu
If you're not trolling, please, leave the sarcasm aside.
World War II has absolutely nothing to do with the current war in Iraq.
WWII does not make it any more right to act wrongly in the future than it was to kill people in the name of fascism.


Like I've said before.

In the fight against Nazism/Fascism you were with us.
In the struggle against Communism you were not.
In this fight against Islamic Terrorism, where are you?

(you in the general sense, not in the 1st person)

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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2005, 03:52:47 PM »
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Like I've said before.

In the fight against Nazism/Fascism you were with us.
In the struggle against Communism you were not.
In this fight against Islamic Terrorism, where are you?

(you in the general sense, not in the 1st person)


Ewh..  now you made a big mistake.

In the fight against Nazism/Fascism we were defending our homeland from the spread of Communism, who were allied with you
In the struggle against Communism, where were you?
In this fight against Islamic Terrorism we are not willing to approve attack on countries whos clearly harboring far less terrorists than Saudi Arabia,  your middle east allie.

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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2005, 04:01:28 PM »
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Come off the lies garbage. Show me one credible piece of intelligence that stated Hussein 'did not' have wmd before the war. I'm so tired of this 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' attitude.

If we had done nothing and AQ had set off a chemical/biological attack in London and it was traced to Iraq you socialist, KGB indoctrinated peaceniks would be calling for Bush's head.


Bin Laden, the lead figure of AQ, hated Saddam.
Guess why... Saddam was faaar from being an ideal muslim.

All those several claimed terrorist training camps were not to be found in Iraq, which was one reason for the war (not just the WMD, mind you)

They actually did find something related to terrorist camps, but they also found out it was being negotiated by one of Saddams generals, unknown to Saddam.

Ask any profiler, whos done his homework about Saddam, would he really have done all the things claimed by Bush.

He might been a dictator, but that doesnt make the person stupid.

Also... being a president doesn't necessarily make the person any more credible than a dictator.

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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2005, 04:27:15 PM »
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Bin Laden, the lead figure of AQ, hated Saddam.
Guess why... Saddam was faaar from being an ideal muslim.

All those several claimed terrorist training camps were not to be found in Iraq, which was one reason for the war (not just the WMD, mind you)

They actually did find something related to terrorist camps, but they also found out it was being negotiated by one of Saddams generals, unknown to Saddam.

Ask any profiler, whos done his homework about Saddam, would he really have done all the things claimed by Bush.

He might been a dictator, but that doesnt make the person stupid.

Also... being a president doesn't necessarily make the person any more credible than a dictator.


I think much of what went on in Iraq was done without Saddam's knowledge. I truly thing the man thought he had the weapons. The man was stupid, and a bit senile too.

Why would this guy continue to defy the world when he was told what the consequences would be?

The only 'claim' that was not validated was that he had WMD. The rest he is going on trial for.

As far as UBL and Saddam. True they were ideologically separated. But  so were Churchill and Stalin. "Enemy of my Enemy" there Junior. This has been going on throughout the course of human history. No reason to think it's changed now.


Also, get your facts straight. Or as we say in the US. "Stop drinking the cool aid!"

April 7, 2003, 12:48AM

Marines find site of terror training
Non-Iraqis tell troops of camp

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/iraq/1855357

(the Houston Chronicle is far from a conservative paper)

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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2005, 06:05:35 PM »
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Originally posted by Fishu
Ewh..  now you made a big mistake.

In the fight against Nazism/Fascism we were defending our homeland from the spread of Communism, who were allied with you
In the struggle against Communism, where were you?
In this fight against Islamic Terrorism we are not willing to approve attack on countries whos clearly harboring far less terrorists than Saudi Arabia,  your middle east allie.


I'm still wondering when was the US allied with Nazism/Fascism?

Now the US didn't fight the cold war for 50+ years?  Oh and when we do send the CIA to help overturn a pro-communist govt we are now BAD, and considered imperialist????????  Lets face is your argument is weak and based on hatred not fact.

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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2005, 12:59:13 AM »
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I'm still wondering when was the US allied with Nazism/Fascism?

Lets face is your argument is weak and based on hatred not fact.


Allied with the communists, perhaps?

If my argument is based on hatred (yeah right..), then what is your arguments based on? hatred on europeans eh?

Would you mind to look up where I live and what was our history in the WWII and after....
We fought two real wars against the communism.

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« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2005, 01:03:01 AM »
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Did you mean this? ?
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« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2005, 01:11:53 AM »
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Perhaps I'm being too cynical.  Yet it appears to me that the terrorist strategy is beginning to bear fruit.  

They know their enemy well.  It isn't important or necessary for them to defeat our military, even if that were possible.  

All they have to do is defeat our mothers.

What are your thoughts on the matter?


Thoughts? Yeah, I got one or two of those.

Get out of Iraq. Now.

It coulda been all dandy. It can't now.

No use another dying for mistakes made 3 years ago.

Just pack it in.

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« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2005, 01:30:20 AM »
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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

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« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2005, 01:33:06 AM »
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Thoughts? Yeah, I got one or two of those.

Get out of Iraq. Now.

It coulda been all dandy. It can't now.

No use another dying for mistakes made 3 years ago.

Just pack it in.





Sure, get out....  



I say we finish the job, and that's exactly what we are going to do.

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« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2005, 01:34:37 AM »
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Was that a weird form of mea culpa?

A squeaky inaudible something?

What happened to the all-caps bravado of a year ago?

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« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2005, 01:36:37 AM »
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Sure, get out....  

I say we finish the job, and that's exactly what we are going to do.


Sad thing is - you're prolly as smart as the dudes got into this mess.